Genre / Style

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Genre / Style

Paul had a recent Sony, that had to be returned for (European Regulation) volume issues. He has mentioned that it supports Genre and Style, from memory (and an older thread), I believe it supports Composer too, perhaps Paul can confirm?

Non-European models, don't have the volume restrictions.

I'm not sure that Paul would give it or Sony a recommendation, but a fully functioning, non-volume restricted model, may suit your needs.

Hi Oggy,

Yes, the Sony had to be sent back 3 times! Each time it came back it had inherited a new fault. The volume issue was kinda sorted by a 'fix' from the manufacturer; but I don't know how they did it. Something to do with lifting the 'restriction'? In the end I swapped it (via Amazon) for a Tablet.

The Sony displayed the Composer and Genre. It was actually great in that respect. However, I know that if I went back to it now I would definitely find it too small (compared to the fair sized Tablet).

Hope this helps.

Paul

[Oggy]

Re: Genre / Style

foobar2000 on my HTPC and FoobarCon Pro on my android device.

Once a year, I am able to build a playlist containing all tracks with style containing Xmas, with a few clicks in FoobarCon Pro.

... I should have mentioned that FoobarCon Pro is the controller for foobar2000 on my (headless) HTPC.

If only all apps were as good and flexible as Foobar.....

In an ideal world, we should be able to choose the options, not be limited by the player / app.

Soon be time for those Christmas favourites!

[Oggy]

Re: Genre / Style

Oggy, from the other thread you know that I use "only" 23 genres, which means that I have a lot of styles. So naturally I'm interested in this topic too.

I have an old portable player with crappy sound, so I need a new one. I started to look around yesterday. I'd like style and also composer to be supported. And maybe a customizable display. And maybe... well, so far no luck...

If I find something that supports style, I will inform in this thread.

Hi evasv,

Paul had a recent Sony, that had to be returned for (European Regulation) volume issues. He has mentioned that it supports Genre and Style, from memory (and an older thread), I believe it supports Composer too, perhaps Paul can confirm?

Non-European models, don't have the volume restrictions.

I'm not sure that Paul would give it or Sony a recommendation, but a fully functioning, non-volume restricted model, may suit your needs.

As for the 42 Genres, I may add to this starting with, Glam Rock.

Although I always try and tag Genre accurately, my main use of search, is for instant Genre playlists: Slade, Sweet, T.Rex and Wizzard, at the touch of a button!

Of course I could tag Genre as Pop/Rock, and use Style - Glam Rock, but tried to keep things simple, whilst being practical, and hopefully maintaining compatibility, with all players and apps.

As my wife has what seem hundreds of Compilation CDs, I have Genres including, Oldies, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, Top 40, Disco, Party, and of course, Christmas! It's a very crude tagging method, but is very simple to use.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Genre / Style

Nope. Both pop and rock are tagged with "Pop/Rock," and that's that. As I said, broad brush. And remember, I don't even use a Style tag.

Good on ya! When you get done with Jazz, how far along will you be to getting your entire collection ripped?

Hi JH,,

OK, fair enough; whatever suits your needs. No need for subdivisions of you don't require them.

Cheers, ha ha. Well I probably will have completed about two thirds of my entire collection once the Jazz section is ripped. Possibly 400 CDs of Jazz, and 200 of other genres.

Paul

[Jailhouse]

Re: Genre / Style

Hi JH,

Do you have a particular GENRE in your CD collection of which you have had to split into a multitude of STYLES though?; whether it be Pop or Rock?

Nope. Both pop and rock are tagged with "Pop/Rock," and that's that. As I said, broad brush. And remember, I don't even use a Style tag.

I'm even thinking of foregoing the Genre tag altogether when I start on my Classical rips, which I think I'll segregate from the other stuff.

I have now ripped over 80GB of solely Jazz!

Good on ya! When you get done with Jazz, how far along will you be to getting your entire collection ripped?

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Genre / Style

The difference between you and me is that the genre 'Jazz' is as granular as I get. Unlike you, I have no desire to drill down any farther using styles or sub-genres; for me, Jazz is Jazz. One could say I paint with a broad brush.

The cool thing is that dBpa allows customization that can satisfy both of us, and most everyone else.

Hi JH,

Do you have a particular GENRE in your CD collection of which you have had to split into a multitude of STYLES though?; whether it be Pop or Rock?

I have now ripped over 80GB of solely Jazz!

Paul

[evasv]

Re: Genre / Style

Manufacturers aren't likely to provide hardware-player support for new tags that are not in near-universal demand. It takes time and money to do so, and the latter isn't likely to be recouped unless adding a tag can somehow cause sales to soar, and hardware players are hardly a growth market. Adding support for user-created tags would be great, but there's the time/money thing again.

Yes, it's often about money. But sometimes what gets the ball rolling is a person/developer dedicated to his project, burning of desire to make an outstanding product. Maybe we shouldn't hope for a developer burning for the style tag, but you never know...

[evasv]

Re: Genre / Style

Oggy, from the other thread you know that I use "only" 23 genres, which means that I have a lot of styles. So naturally I'm interested in this topic too.

I have an old portable player with crappy sound, so I need a new one. I started to look around yesterday. I'd like style and also composer to be supported. And maybe a customizable display. And maybe... well, so far no luck...

If I find something that supports style, I will inform in this thread.

[Jailhouse]

Re: Genre / Style

JH,

For Jazz GENRE I actually only have 'Jazz'. The reason I have so my different STYLES (poss. 8) is because of the size of of Jazz collection. For Classical, Pop, and Rock, there is likely to be a stark difference!

The difference between you and me is that the genre 'Jazz' is as granular as I get. Unlike you, I have no desire to drill down any farther using styles or sub-genres; for me, Jazz is Jazz. One could say I paint with a broad brush.

The cool thing is that dBpa allows customization that can satisfy both of us, and most everyone else.

[Oggy]

Re: Genre / Style

I see now that you probably want Style displayed while playing too?

More, if searching by Style is offered, rather than displaying the style.

[Oggy]

Re: Genre / Style

If the media player is UPnP and you use Asset you can browse by any tag you'd like. I'm not familiar with portable players though (or non-UPnP players), is that what you mean?

Asset and Foobar, are super flexible, but, yes, I was wondering if recent portable and non-UPnP players offered search by Style.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Genre / Style

foobar2000 on my HTPC and FoobarCon Pro on my android device.

Once a year, I am able to build a playlist containing all tracks with style containing Xmas, with a few clicks.

mville,

Foobar is great, yes!

My old faulty/returned 'Pony Walkman' used to display STYLE; but 'VLC' on my new 'Amazon Tablet' does not. (At least the latter has a volume setting which you can actually hear!)

Cheers,

Paul

[mville]

Re: Genre / Style

I fully understand that for some people, both Style and Genre are vital, but what I'm interested in knowing, is which players and manufacturers' apps, can take advantage of both tags - I hope this is becoming commonplace...

foobar2000 on my HTPC and FoobarCon Pro on my android device.

Once a year, I am able to build a playlist containing all tracks with style containing Xmas, with a few clicks in FoobarCon Pro.

... I should have mentioned that FoobarCon Pro is the controller for foobar2000 on my (headless) HTPC.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Genre / Style

*I do have multiple genres in the EDM files I buy online, which I keep because they're there and I can't tell most of them apart anyway. I'll probably convert them all to a single genre once I decide what that should be.

JH,

For Jazz GENRE I actually only have 'Jazz'. The reason I have so my different STYLES (poss. 8) is because of the size of of Jazz collection. For Classical, Pop, and Rock, there is likely to be a stark difference!

Cheers,

Paul

[Jailhouse]

Re: Genre / Style

I fully understand that for some people, both Style and Genre are vital, but what I'm interested in knowing, is which players and manufacturers' apps, can take advantage of both tags - I hope this is becoming commonplace...

Manufacturers aren't likely to provide hardware-player support for new tags that are not in near-universal demand. It takes time and money to do so, and the latter isn't likely to be recouped unless adding a tag can somehow cause sales to soar, and hardware players are hardly a growth market. Adding support for user-created tags would be great, but there's the time/money thing again.

As you know, I don't use Style, (but open-minded!), here's some Genres you could use:-
Traditional Jazz, Jazz Duo, Jazz Trio, Jazz Quartet, Jazz Funk, Jazz Rock, or even, Jazz Duo Christmas (!!)

You just reeled off nearly as many Jazz genres as I have genres in my entire CD-rip collection.* I use one Jazz genre. Guess what it is?


*I do have multiple genres in the EDM files I buy online, which I keep because they're there and I can't tell most of them apart anyway. I'll probably convert them all to a single genre once I decide what that should be.