Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

[sdgenxr]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

Could someone point me in a general direction as to where I can locate an inexpensive auto loader so that I can rip my collection of 300+ cd's? Single tray would work fine and I'm more than capable of modding something, with a little guidance, to make it work the best.

I've been on the lookout for the Kodak kiosk without any luck and have seen the very rare one on e-bay or CL. Does anyone have other ideas or models I can utilize?

Thanks

[pulper]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

MadMax....... I just got 2 cedar 1000's and will be workin on them this week. I want to make use of them as complete unit i.e printing also. Will give feedback.:komisch12

[MadTax]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

Nobody is answering. I have to do my best alone. So the results of my "engineering" (For everyboy, perhaps in one, two or more years
interesting):

to bhoar:
The alignment tool ist adjusting the unit only for use with the rimage driver. If You switch the scsi machine to be controlled by serial port You don´t need it. Diferences in thickness and hube of the discs will be instead equlized with a very little move upwards. The commands MD

(Moving Down) for getting a disc is followed by a command MU0007 in my case. The Picker gets the disc independend to the thickness of the disc.

Afterwards the command "Go to the new position (e.g. MH for moving upwards)" follows (With the disc hold by the picker.). The picker is designed for the most thick discs build at its time. If I´m using thinner discs, the picker doesn´t rest between the first and the second disc, but "in"

the hub of the second disc. Removed to fast the picker will not be able to fetch the first disc. With my solution, the picker just moves a litle

bit upwards and get the first disc. Left is the problem of discs thicker than the layout of the configuration of the picker is regarding. I

don´t recognize the problem till now. So I just want to tell You, I don´t need more information about the alignment tool. I (hope, I) just

checked it.

to darkbane:
You have asked for new commands. I bought a primera signature IV with my Rimage unit. The printer open with "OP" and closes with "CP". This needs

a conjunction using the 6-pin minicircular auxiliary interface between printer and unit. (To olskool: Don´t remove the cable!). Something new: I

made a test with all combinations of {A-Z}x{A-Z} as 2-letter-commands and the same followed by 50 (e.g. AK50). I logged the answers with PUTTY

and got no results. I´m more than sure the scsi machine is not abel to answer by serial port (just per scsi). But if time is left I will try the

triple ({A-Z}x{A-Z}x{A-Z}). But I´m not very hopefully with success.

MadTax

[MadTax]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

Re: From my testing, the pickers on DTP units cannot handle much variance in hub-type and thickness. After five or so audio CDs, the two DTP units I tested almost invariably got stuck trying to pick because by that point the top two CDs in the input stack had somewhat "complementary" hub styles that the picker fingers can't grab between. I think the DTP units were engineered for the hub-type of blank CD-Rs in the late 90s...and are just not a great tool for random audio CD picking. It's possible the units I tested were defective or badly adjusted?


-brendan

Hi Brendan,

I am a proud owner of a Rimage / Cedar DTP 4000 / SCSI. I transformed the unit succesfully to a serial one (Thanks to darkbane). I created a batch using putty und wineject for controlling the unit. All works fine. Just one problem is left. You told in this forum the disc thickness has to be aligned by these machines. I don´t know how to do it. I´ve tried via SCSI the alignment tool, but I am not able to find a matching field for adjusting disc thickness. There are just fields for the four recorder, the reject bin and the input bin. Like I told You before all works fine except the grabbing of discs by the picker (3 of ten times no success.). At the moment shows the unit after switching on thickness steps of 01c3. Darkbane told about by him it was 005?, five time less. So I guess thats working wrong.

Please tell me where to get the alignment tool for adjusting disc thickness or describe how to use the other alignment tool. A lot of CD´s came with the machine, so I think I own the tool, but just don´t recognize it. Even in the manual I don´t find something about disc thickness alignment by a DTP 4000. Just by a DTP 8000. It seems to me last one is using another software by the picture in the manual.

MadTax

[MadTax]

Re: DTP-1000 scsi to serial conversion notes

Thanks to DarkBane I was able to get my dtp-1000 running off the serial port yesterday. Here is the link in case anyone wants to follow along.

http://blog.tinyenormous.com/2009/09/28/cd-robot-v-2-0-adding-serial-control-to-an-old-scsi-cd-duplicator/

I have a few questions:
Has anyone figured out a bigger command set? Especially the disc loaded command.
Has anyone else run into a problem where the machine stops responding to the serial port after issuing the "R" command?
And lastly, how many people are out there working on these things? I was amazed to see that not only did other people still possess these, but that they were also working on modernizing them!
Keep it up dBPoweramp forums!

Thanks to Darkbane and olskool! There is a common interest in using a Rimage / Cedar DTP 1000/4000 machine for backups. I bought one more than a year ago. The first time I was able to work with the machine cause of reading this chat on dbpoweramp. But there is still a problem left. I´m not able to abort the serial connection using putty (plink) by command-line. Using Plink only ('plink.exe -load "sessionname" > textfile.txt' and textfile.txt contains MU MD OI ... each in a single line closed up with <Enter>) the first command will be done. Afterwards the system is waiting. I guess the following commands in the textfile.txt (I see them on the screen) coming to early to react. And there is no chance for me to abort plink and sending a new command. The next command even with an new plink-line in my batch is not done. The system is "standing on the line before" and waiting. So one question is left: Do You know how to send successfully a set of commands to the Rimage by command-line (Or something else)? Do You know how to abort the serial connection with putty / plink? Do You use another software instead of putty?

I created a workaround using mouseandkeyboard-recorder and a tool for opening and closing the burner in a batch-file. I´am starting putty (not plink!) by the recorder (loading a serial session) and send the commands via recorder to putty. For Putty it is like the keys have been pressed on the keyboard. After the set of commands I abort (Pressing Alt-F4 via the recorder). It is functional but the system won´t work if something happens by chance (I.e. the picker doesn´t got a DVD.). The coordination between the single parts in the batch is fine, but to coordinate Nero (my favourite BackUp-Suite) and the batch just time is left. At first the batch calculate the Number of DVD´s need for the backup. The longest time measured by me for doing one DVD 16-Speed ist 33 minutes. So the batch stays 35 minutes between disc changing. The same procedure starts in the prior calculated numbers of cycles. If You are interested I will sent you the files. You have just to adjust them with try and error to Your System. The ratio of functionality is about 90%. If You own a better system I´am interested in your solution and your experiences.

To Your Questions: I think tere is no disc loaded command via serial port. It´s just a debug port. It is not configured to anwer. (My opinion not knowledge)
After the "R" comand my machine works fine. It take little time (5 sec.), but I can´t tell about problems.

[Sir Dancelot]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

I was afraid of that. No way of resetting the robot, or reprogramming it?
Because hardwarewise all seems fine. It just looks like the unload batch somehow dropped the 'lock' command...

[Spoon]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

It is the robot which controls this (or driver) not the PC software.

[Sir Dancelot]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

I am not sure what you mean, but as stated the robot does the complete loading movement flawlessly. The only thing it doesn't do is lock the cd onto the arm during the unloading process.

[Spoon]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

Does the robot work in anything else, because the drive only issues a unload command to the robot, and it does the moving and releasing.

[Sir Dancelot]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

Hello everyone!

I have a Datatronics Mini Cubis (DA5600) and want to use DBPowerAmp to rip my collection, but there seems to be something wrong.

It loads the CD just fine, but on unload it doesnt 'close' the CD pickup pin and doesn't pickup the cd.

pressing the longer button right next to the center of the underside of the pickup arm during load mode (I.E. What a CD would normally do) will stop the arm moving and close the pickup pin, locking the CD in place. Pressing the same button during unload mode does nothing. The arm just goes down, stops under some pressure and then goes up again, leaving the CD in the tray and then the light on the arm will blink red.

Opening the tray myself and issuing the load command will pickup the CD from the tray just fine, but obiously will allso put it back in...

However, that seems to point in the direction of a missing command or something like it in the unload script???

I tried XP/Vista/W7 and the behaviour is allways the same. The driver i am using is the one that came with it on CD : 02/01/2004 ver 1.0.1.0 with DBPowerAmp R13.3 + latest batch ripper and mini cubis loader.

Any help would really be appreciated!

[Spoon]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

cmd.exe /c your.bat

[ChristophR]

Re: Discussion of Automated CD Loaders

I have a Dexpresso (aka Roboracer) and i have write .bat files for it, for the ULCLI Driver from Brendan.

My question is what´s the trick to run the .bat files with the Batchripper, or is there any chance to write a driver directly for the batchripper ?

since there is no response from brendan there is no chance to get his driver

[pjc2]

Re: Kodak Kiosks?

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost...&postcount=168

That's interesting. I'm surprised Brendan was pointing to the Batch Ripper page, since he appears to be selling the driver now. But, perhaps unsurprisingly, the Batch Ripper page doesn't appear to provide the Kodak driver now.

But it sounds like Brendan has been spotted, so I may be able to find out more from him. Thanks!

[winopener]

Re: Kodak Kiosks?

Really? Where? The Batch Ripper page doesn't offer a download link for Kodaks that I can see.

And where can one find these loaders now?

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost...&postcount=168

For finding these loaders, there are a couple of references in the forum. Sometimes these shows on Ebay too.

[pjc2]

Re: Kodak Kiosks?

The drivers for the Kodak Kiosk are on the download page of dbPoweramp.

Really? Where? The Batch Ripper page doesn't offer a download link for Kodaks that I can see.

And where can one find these loaders now?