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  • kweller
    dBpoweramp Enthusiast

    • Apr 2002
    • 175

    ID3v2 Tags?

    Am I correct in thinking MMC only reads ID3V1 tags?
    Last edited by kweller; January 03, 2006, 08:17 AM.
  • xoas
    dBpoweramp Guru

    • Apr 2002
    • 2662

    #2
    Re: ID3v2 Tags?

    I think you're mistaken.
    In my MMC, I note some tags labelled ID3v2.3 & ID3v1.1. But I also note at least 1 .mp3 file tag labeled ID3v2.3. And files in other formats, of course may use Ape or Vorbis tags.

    Best wishes,
    Bill

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    • kweller
      dBpoweramp Enthusiast

      • Apr 2002
      • 175

      #3
      Re: ID3v2 Tags?

      Now I've done some more checking I do believe that's what's happening - MMC is only reading the ID3V1 tag.

      I've just updated all my tags to MusicBrainz format (which took a hell of a lot longer than I anticipated) and, afterwards, told MMC to refresh its database details from the ID3 tag for all tracks.

      As an example, let's look at the album called One Woman: The Ultimate Collection. The title is stored correctly in the ID3V2 tag but is shortened in the ID3V1 tag to One Woman: The Ultimate Collec. What is now stored in MMC is the shortened version. This is obviously just an example and there are hundreds of others :(

      Maybe I've missed a setting somewhere which, when I change it and re-do the refresh from ID tag, will correct the database? (he asked not very hopefully).

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      • Spoon
        Administrator
        • Apr 2002
        • 44511

        #4
        Re: ID3v2 Tags?

        MMC is based on dBpoweramps codecs so they read (in this order)

        APE2
        ID3v2
        ID3v1

        Make sure you have the latest Music Converter Installed.
        Spoon
        www.dbpoweramp.com

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        • kweller
          dBpoweramp Enthusiast

          • Apr 2002
          • 175

          #5
          Re: ID3v2 Tags?

          This is my DMC configuration options. I think these are the latest versions aren't they?

          Sounds like this might be fixable if we can figure out what's wrong

          Kevin

          Version Information
          dBpowerAMP Music Converter: Release 11.5
          Power Pack & Mp3 License: [ Registered: Yes ]
          dBpowerAMP Audio Player: Release 3 Beta 6
          dBpowerAMP CD Writer: Not Installed 'easy way to burn audio cds'
          Sveta Portable Audio: Not Installed 'enhance your portable player'
          Contact Information
          Web Site: http://www.dbpoweramp.com
          Support: http://www.dbpoweramp.com/support.htm
          Support Forum: http://forum.dbpoweramp.com
          Codec Central: http://www.dbpoweramp.com/codec-central.htm
          Add extra [en/de]coding abilities such as m4a, wma, etc.

          Smart Install Codecs
          Windows Media Audio: .wma
          Musepack: .mpc
          Mp4 (AAC): .mp4
          Flac: .flac
          Monkeys Audio: .ape
          OptimFROG: .ofr
          Shorten: .shn
          WavPack: .wv
          Advanced Audio Compression: .aac


          ===Shell Integration===
          Convert To (right click): On
          Edit Tag (right click): On
          Popup information Tips: On
          Explorer ID Tag Property Page: On
          Explorer Columns: On


          ===Codecs===
          Installed Compression Codecs (Write)
          Mp3 (Lame): Lame Version 3.96.1 [ .mp3 ]
          Test Conversion (No Write)
          Wave: [ .wav ]


          Installed Input Codecs (Read)
          Auxiliary Input Decoder: .aux
          CD Input Decoder: .cda
          Midi Input Decoder: .mid; .midi
          Mp3 Input Decoder: .mp3; .mp2; .mpga; .mpa; .mpx; .mpg; .mp1
          Ogg Vorbis Input Decoder: .ogg
          Wave Input Decoder: .wav


          ===Options===
          dBpowerAMP Reference Options
          Pro. Frequency Conversion: On (slower but high quality)

          Mp3 Input Decoder
          CRC Errors: Ignore
          Decode To: 16 bit (dithered)

          Wave Compression Codec
          More than 16 bit or 2 Channels: Write WaveFormatEx Header



          ===ID Tag Options===
          Mp3
          Tag Creation: ID3v2
          Write ID3v1 Version: v1.1
          ID3v1 UTF8 Read: Yes
          ID3v1 UTF8 Write: No
          Write ID3v2 Unicode: Yes
          Write ID3v2 Version: v2.3

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          • Spoon
            Administrator
            • Apr 2002
            • 44511

            #6
            Re: ID3v2 Tags?

            Hold the mouse over a file, is the ID3v2 tag read?
            Spoon
            www.dbpoweramp.com

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            • ChristinaS
              dBpoweramp Guru

              • Apr 2004
              • 4097

              #7
              Re: ID3v2 Tags?

              I have a feeling that ID tags may not be changed for audio file types for which you don't have the encoding codec, does that make sense?

              No idea what this may or may not have to do with the problem at hand.



              On a different note:

              I just noticed this : a midi decoder codec? That's misleading, isn't it Spoon? Yes, midi can be played by dAP, but decoding midi is not the same notion as it is for other audio types. Conversion is not possible yet, only recording through dMC Auxiliary Input as it is palyed the soundcard.

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              • kweller
                dBpoweramp Enthusiast

                • Apr 2002
                • 175

                #8
                Re: ID3v2 Tags?

                Originally posted by Spoon
                Hold the mouse over a file, is the ID3v2 tag read?
                No, it's reading the ID3v1.1 tag.

                [Later] So I uninstalled dMC and dAP, rebooted, then reinstalled them but it made no difference - the v1.1 tag is still the one Explorer displays.

                MP3TagStudio, Tag&Rename and TagScanner can all see an ID3V2.3 tag.

                MMC reports 1.1:

                Length (m:ss) : 3:22
                Size : 6084KB
                Original Size : 34946KB
                Compression Ratio : 5 to 1 (17 %)
                Preferrence : 4
                Year : 1970
                Times Played : 0
                Date Added : 03 January 2006
                Volume Boost : Auto [Yet to set]
                Variable Bitrate (Kbps) : 245
                Frequency : 44100
                Channels : 2 [Stereo]
                Level : MPEG 1 Layer III
                Encoded By : LAME3.96r Preset Extreme
                ID Tag : ID3v1.1
                Title : Ain't No Mountain High Enough
                Artist : Diana Ross
                Album : One Woman: The Ultimate Collec
                Year : 1970
                Genre : Soul
                Track : 6
                Last edited by kweller; January 03, 2006, 10:25 PM. Reason: To add more information.

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                • kweller
                  dBpoweramp Enthusiast

                  • Apr 2002
                  • 175

                  #9
                  Re: ID3v2 Tags?

                  [Later still] I think it may be the MusicBrainz (MBz) data in the tag (defined here) that may be confusing MMC. I have a few tracks that I didn't add MBz data to and they show in Explorer as having v2.3 and v1.1 tags. Everything that I've tested that has the MBz data in the tags shows v1.1 only.

                  Is there somewhere I can put a 'problem' file for you to see?

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                  • Spoon
                    Administrator
                    • Apr 2002
                    • 44511

                    #10
                    Re: ID3v2 Tags?

                    You can send here:

                    Spoon
                    www.dbpoweramp.com

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                    • kweller
                      dBpoweramp Enthusiast

                      • Apr 2002
                      • 175

                      #11
                      Re: ID3v2 Tags?

                      Thanks Spoon but after spending a lot of time with this I now know what the issue is - the tags in question are ID3V2.4 tags and dAP supports up to v2.3. I haven't found any other tagger that will support 2.4 either.

                      I then told the MusicBrainz (MBz) tagger to save the data in 2.3 utf16 format and tested those with dAP, MP3 TagStudio, Tag&Rename, TagScanner, Dr.Tag, Jaikov and Magic-tagger (the last two are supposedly MBz-aware).

                      Out of that long list only dAP and MP3TS would correctly display accented characters and edit the tags without corrupting the MBz data - nice work Spoon .

                      The only problem I have now is it doesn't appear to be easy to change the v2.4 tags (the MBz tagger default) that are currently in over 10k files to 2.3 :(.

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                      • LtData
                        dBpoweramp Guru

                        • May 2004
                        • 8288

                        #12
                        Re: ID3v2 Tags?

                        Mabye try the "Tag From Filename" utility codec for dMC? Note that it requires either a non-expired trial or a registered PowerPack.

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                        • kweller
                          dBpoweramp Enthusiast

                          • Apr 2002
                          • 175

                          #13
                          Re: ID3v2 Tags?

                          It's taken me a month (elapsed time) to get all my music MBz tagged and I believe doing what you suggest will remove the MBz data from the tag unfortunately.

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                          • ChristinaS
                            dBpoweramp Guru

                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4097

                            #14
                            Re: ID3v2 Tags?

                            Any non-standard tags will not be preserved by dMC, regardless. Things like artwork, lyrics, etc, will get lost in any conversion, no matter which ID tagging convention is used.

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                            • kweller
                              dBpoweramp Enthusiast

                              • Apr 2002
                              • 175

                              #15
                              Re: ID3v2 Tags?

                              If you look at my post above you'll see that's not the case. Having edited a tag with MMC the MBz data - contained in several user-defined text frames plus TSOP, XSOP anbd UFID frames - was maintained.

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