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  • garym
    dBpoweramp Guru

    • Nov 2007
    • 5878

    Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

    Originally posted by mville
    I rip all my CDs to flac. I have also converted my whole flac library to mp3 (vbr Quality -V 1) for use in my portable devices.

    Note: My library does not contain any dialog CDs, podcasts, audiobooks etc.
    i do exactly like the same. FLAC for home. MP3 for portable devices. And yes. Converter is many times faster than ripping.

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    • monsterjazzlick
      dBpoweramp Guru

      • Jul 2017
      • 1764

      Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

      Originally posted by garym
      i do exactly like the same. FLAC for home. MP3 for portable devices. And yes. Converter is many times faster than ripping.
      OK, Cheers Gary.

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      • monsterjazzlick
        dBpoweramp Guru

        • Jul 2017
        • 1764

        Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

        Originally posted by garym
        mville knows me well on this topic! Yes, I don't care about saving space at all. But porcasts, audiobooks, etc. are not music that I care about having bit perfect copies of. Good quality MP3 is more than enough for that stuff.
        Gary, When I come to rip my lecture CDs I will use mp3. Cheers.
        Last edited by monsterjazzlick; September 09, 2017, 01:51 PM. Reason: spelling

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        • Oggy
          dBpoweramp Guru

          • Apr 2015
          • 697

          Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

          Originally posted by monsterjazzlick
          Thanks very much Oggy, I tried the SD Card in two other music playing devices and it works fine. I emailed Sony on Thursday evening but they have not replied. Each time it is sent to them for repair, it is returned with a new fault! Quite unbelievable really.

          80 x mins to rip the original double-CD of "Bitches Brew" is good going. Actually, I remember there only being a few wrong items of info. on there (unlike many other CDs to date!). Here are the two arts I used for the original CD front and rear:

          [ATTACH=CONFIG]1664[/ATTACH]

          [ATTACH=CONFIG]1665[/ATTACH]

          Completely different art for BOXSET version was used.

          Incidentally, do you have the bonus track CD (it has a Wayne Shorter track ["Fieo"] placed at the end)? Cheers,

          Paul
          Hi Paul,

          I used the same front cover, and it has no bonus track, the same six track version, as your jpeg.

          It took 80 minutes, in total, to rip Bitches Brew and the other 7 CDs.

          Oggy

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          • monsterjazzlick
            dBpoweramp Guru

            • Jul 2017
            • 1764

            Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

            Originally posted by Oggy
            To answer your question, if it was a new Bitches Brew, boxset, with bonus tracks, I would still use, Year 1970. If the boxset was the only version I had, I probably wouldn't put 2001 anywhere, if I did, it would go in Comments.

            If I had two copies, and wanted both, I would probably use Bitches Brew and Bitches Brew [Remaster]

            This is where choices, and pure personal preferences, comes into the equation.

            The main reason I use this, is because, unless I have several unique (different sounding) masterings, the year the CD, was released has no interest to me, and I think in terms of original LP release date.

            The benefit of using this method:- I prefer to display the covers in alphabetical order, by Artist, and then chronologically, by Album. So for my Miles Davis, CDs, under D, they display, Kind Of Blue, Porgy And Bess, Sketches Of Spain, E.S.P. Miles In The Sky, In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew, On The Corner.

            With your knowledge of Miles, you will notice one error in this order, Porgy And Bess, should be before, Kind Of Blue, but because they were both the same year, alphabetically, Kind comes before Porgy. This is the flaw in the plan, as the player / app, doesn't work with 1959 03 09 and 1959 08 17.

            I could fudge, Year, to display correctly, chronologically, and put the release date in Comments: I guess that is one of my choices!!

            Hopefully this helps explain why, I make the choices that I do, but also, just how personal, these choices are. Because I can superimpose, the Artist and Album name, on the bottom of the cover, on my app, I try and keep the filename as short as possible, whilst reflecting what it says on the cover. Basically, the CD covers, are for me, the modern day equivalent, of LP sleeve, spines.
            Hi Oggy,

            OK, so the four boxset CDs I have are: "The Complete Bitches Brew Sessions"; "The Complete In A Silent Way Sessions"; and "The Complete Jack Johnson Sessions". I am quite happy with their titles (ie. "The Complete"). This way, there is no clash with the original CD version titles (eg. "Bitches Brew") - I hope you would agree.

            I am now avoiding using the "comments" tag for reasons explained separately.

            But, as you correctly picked up on, my issue is concerning the YEAR. If I understand correctly, you mean even though the BOXSET version of "Bitches Brew" was not released until 2001, you would still write 1970 as the YEAR (because that was the year the ORIGINAL recording [of the double-album] was released)? Even though the BONUS TRACKS (ie. 'out-takes') were not RELEASED until 2001, this fact is disregarded and you still place them all under the YEAR of 1970. I think this might be so because you are taking into logical consideration the fact that the BONUS TRACKS (ie. 'out-takes') were obviously recorded in and around the same year as 1970?

            If I am correct, then that is all well and good. However - for me - what throws a spanner in the works is that on: "The Complete In A Silent Way Sessions", it includes material of which appears on different albums, both of different release dates! For example, two tracks ('Mademoiselle Mabry' and 'Frelon Burn') are from: "Filles De Kilimanjaro" - which was released (as an album in it's own right) in 1968. Similarly, tracks 'Ascent' and 'Directions' were released in 1981 on: "Directions" (again, as an album in it's own right):
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            And so, do you ignore this fact in favour of following your own tagging legend? I am assuming that you would simply place EVERYTHING relating to: "The Complete In A Silent Way Sessions" under the YEAR 1969 (ie. the YEAR of the original single-album release)?

            Many thanks,

            Paul
            Last edited by monsterjazzlick; September 09, 2017, 03:23 PM. Reason: screenshot

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            • Oggy
              dBpoweramp Guru

              • Apr 2015
              • 697

              Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

              Originally posted by monsterjazzlick
              Hi Oggy,

              OK, so the four boxset CDs I have are: "The Complete Bitches Brew Sessions"; "The Complete In A Silent Way Sessions"; and "The Complete Jack Johnson Sessions". I am quite happy with their titles (ie. "The Complete"). This way, there is no clash with the original CD version titles (eg. "Bitches Brew") - I hope you would agree.

              I am now avoiding using the "comments" tag for reasons explained separately.

              But, as you correctly picked up on, my issue is concerning the YEAR. If I understand correctly, you mean even though the BOXSET version of "Bitches Brew" was not released until 2001, you would still write 1970 as the YEAR (because that was the year the ORIGINAL recording [of the double-album] was released)? Even though the BONUS TRACKS (ie. 'out-takes') were not RELEASED until 2001, this fact is disregarded and you still place them all under the YEAR of 1970. I think this might be so because you are taking into logical consideration the fact that the BONUS TRACKS (ie. 'out-takes') were obviously recorded in and around the same year as 1970?

              If I am correct, then that is all well and good. However - for me - what throws a spanner in the works is that on: "The Complete In A Silent Way Sessions", it includes material of which appears on different albums, both of different release dates! For example, two tracks ('Mademoiselle Mabry' and 'Frelon Burn') are from: "Filles De Kilimanjaro" - which was released (as an album in it's own right) in 1968. Similarly, tracks 'Ascent' and 'Directions' were released in 1981 on: "Directions" (again, as an album in it's own right):
              [ATTACH=CONFIG]1666[/ATTACH]

              And so, do you ignore this fact in favour of following your own tagging legend? I am assuming that you would simply place EVERYTHING relating to: "The Complete In A Silent Way Sessions" under the YEAR 1969 (ie. the YEAR of the original single-album release)?

              Many thanks,

              Paul
              Yes, I do what you suggest, apart from a 40th anniversary, that slipped through the net, and displays rather more randomly than I would like! Luckily the editing couldn't be much easier.

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              These screenshots show how I display Artist, Album, chronologically, showing the optional Artist and Album name. You can see in The Beatles example, that I fudged the Hamburg release date, to display it, before Please Please Me.

              Ultimately, it's a matter of choosing the best option for our own needs, this may, or may not work for someone else.
              Last edited by Oggy; September 09, 2017, 11:14 PM.

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              • monsterjazzlick
                dBpoweramp Guru

                • Jul 2017
                • 1764

                Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

                Originally posted by Oggy
                Yes, I do what you suggest, apart from a 40th anniversary, that slipped through the net, and displays rather more randomly than I would like! Luckily the editing couldn't be much easier.

                [ATTACH=CONFIG]1673[/ATTACH]

                [ATTACH=CONFIG]1674[/ATTACH]

                These screenshots show how I display Artist, Album, chronologically, showing the optional Artist and Album name. You can see in The Beatles example, that I fudged the Hamburg release date, to display it, before Please Please Me.

                Ultimately, it's a matter of choosing the best option for our own needs, this may, or may not work for someone else.
                Oggy, Ha ha, there's always the one that got away!

                The screenshots of those 6 x CD arts on one page - is that how they appear on your playback device? So if 4 x Beatles albums make up 1 x BOXSET, then all 4 x CD arts appear all together, at once?! They look really great! Were they all done in that 'Picture Manager' s/w, or are you using 'PhotoShop'?

                OK, I will sleep on your kind advice, thanks. I really did plan on closing the door on all the Miles stuff the weekend, but the damn day got totally sidetracked on another problem! I spent about 4 hours on it and Gary kindly offered some help along the way (it's discussed [under separate cover] in my "Removing Comments Tag" thread [*34]). Cheers, Paul

                BTW - If you like Miles then here is one I made about 7 x years ago. Tracks and samples created in 'Steinberg Cubase' (from 3 x Miles albums of the 1980s):

                Last edited by monsterjazzlick; September 10, 2017, 12:24 AM. Reason: LINK

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                • Jailhouse
                  dBpoweramp Guru

                  • Sep 2016
                  • 388

                  Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

                  Originally posted by monsterjazzlick
                  So converting a file is much faster than ripping it?
                  Certainly. A CD drive is far slower than a hard drive, let alone the SSDs available these days.

                  I have been converting Beatport AIFF files to FLAC. A single conversion session of a half-dozen files with a total of about 30 minutes of music takes less than five seconds, compared to about 1-1/2 minutes if ripping a CD of the same length; that's roughly 36 times faster. And this on a PC with a second-tier processor (in terms of speed) I've had for nearly 8-1/2 years now.

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                  • Oggy
                    dBpoweramp Guru

                    • Apr 2015
                    • 697

                    Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

                    Originally posted by monsterjazzlick
                    Oggy, Ha ha, there's always the one that got away!

                    The screenshots of those 6 x CD arts on one page - is that how they appear on your playback device? So if 4 x Beatles albums make up 1 x BOXSET, then all 4 x CD arts appear all together, at once?!

                    OK, I will sleep on your kind advice, thanks. I really did plan on closing the door on all the Miles stuff the weekend, but the damn day got totally sidetracked on another problem! I spent about 4 hours on it and Gary kindly offered some help along the way (it's discussed [under separate cover] in my "Removing Comments Tag" thread). Cheers, Paul
                    You can display 6, 24, or 35 on a page. I will find some better covers, particularly of Bitches Brew, on "a rainy day!"

                    If I had gone up one line, it would show Kind Of Blue, and Porgy And Bess, chronologically the wrong way round, because same year release and alphabet rule.

                    There comes a time when it is more important to listen to music, rather than letting OCD, rule your life!!

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                    • monsterjazzlick
                      dBpoweramp Guru

                      • Jul 2017
                      • 1764

                      Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

                      Originally posted by Jailhouse
                      Certainly. A CD drive is far slower than a hard drive, let alone the SSDs available these days.

                      I have been converting Beatport AIFF files to FLAC. A single conversion session of a half-dozen files with a total of about 30 minutes of music takes less than five seconds, compared to about 1-1/2 minutes if ripping a CD of the same length; that's roughly 36 times faster. And this on a PC with a second-tier processor (in terms of speed) I've had for nearly 8-1/2 years now.
                      Thanks JH, OK, I never looked at it like that. Yes, of course, the CD drive will be slow! Gee, 5 seconds to whizz through all that music is practically the same as instantaneous! I wonder if one day in the future people will be complaining that "5 seconds" is too long?! Paul

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                      • monsterjazzlick
                        dBpoweramp Guru

                        • Jul 2017
                        • 1764

                        Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

                        Originally posted by Oggy
                        There comes a time when it is more important to listen to music, rather than letting OCD, rule your life!!
                        Yes, this is where I am at at the moment! All spare time is spent ripping and posting on this forum. Not that I don't love posting questions and chatting, but it would be nice, one day, to actually LISTEN to one of my hard earned FLACs! Paul

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                        • Jailhouse
                          dBpoweramp Guru

                          • Sep 2016
                          • 388

                          Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

                          Originally posted by Oggy
                          If I had gone up one line, it would show Kind Of Blue, and Porgy And Bess, chronologically the wrong way round, because same year release and alphabet rule.

                          There comes a time when it is more important to listen to music, rather than letting OCD, rule your life!!
                          I have a few instances of this kind of thing happening. If I really want to listen to the albums in strict chronological order, I can set up a foobar playlist that way.

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                          • Jailhouse
                            dBpoweramp Guru

                            • Sep 2016
                            • 388

                            Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

                            Originally posted by monsterjazzlick
                            Thanks JH, OK, I never looked at it like that. Yes, of course, the CD drive will be slow! Gee, 5 seconds to whizz through all that music is practically the same as instantaneous! I wonder if one day in the future people will be complaining that "5 seconds" is too long?! Paul
                            They already do.

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                            • monsterjazzlick
                              dBpoweramp Guru

                              • Jul 2017
                              • 1764

                              Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

                              Originally posted by Jailhouse
                              If I really want to listen to the albums in strict chronological order, I can set up a foobar playlist that way.
                              JH, that's a good idea! Paul

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                              • monsterjazzlick
                                dBpoweramp Guru

                                • Jul 2017
                                • 1764

                                Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

                                Originally posted by Jailhouse
                                They already do.
                                Ha ha, you can always rely on the British citizens for a good old moan!

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