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Re: Set-Up for Ripping
Thank you all for hanging in here with me.
It seems like we're going in circles a bit, and I think the reason is that we are trying to understand (or define) the sort tag issue in a single gulp. Maybe a better approach is to take it piece by piece and nail down each piece one at a time.
It may be that dealing with the following issues one at a time may, indeed, repeat some of the information provided in previous posts, but it will be helpful to me to pull it all together here (if for no other reason than easy reference).
1) I think we've already established that the words that show up in the File Explorer are an exact literal copy of the words put into the tag field at the top of the dbpa window. Is this right or wrong? If this is correct then we can put that one to bed and move on to how tags appear in the Player.
2) I also believe we've already established that the sort-feature has to do ONLY with alphabetizing, and not the reversing of word order (such as changing Gustav Mahler, to Mahler, Gustav). (Except, perhaps for some weird Players). Is that right or wrong?
3) My understanding of the function of the sort version of a tag is to alphabetize; it has to do entirely with how the software (and Player) handle the information, and nothing to do with the sequence of the words the user typed into the tag text box. Those words are handled differently depending on whether the sort function was "activated" or not. Am I correct so far?
4) If so, then there remains a subtle question regarding alphabetizing, and that is: does using a sort tag vs. a regular tag mean, 1) the difference between alphabetizing ,or not alphabetizing at all, or 2) alphabetizing according the first name (as written) vs. the last name (as written) &*8211; in this case G or M &*8211; while maintaining the order of the words?
5) Oggy, you have suggested that maybe the Composer tags are handled differently than the Artist. I surely hope that is not the case. I would hope that the function of sort tags in dbpa is constant as applied to any tag. But this is important to know. Perhaps Spoon knows the answer.
6) I don't see any location where I actually "populate" a sort tag (manually or via internet metadata)? If so, where? (When I hear "populate" it means to me something that I do &*8211; or direct the internet to do.) I don't find any location dealing with any tag that has a text box beside it except the obvious one at the top of the screen and the (linked) one under the "Review Metadata" tag-shaped icon, and both of these are labeled as an "ordinary" tags, e.g., composer or artist, not as composer sort, or artist sort. This is why I'm confused when reference is made to "populating" a sort tag &*8211; there seems to be nowhere to do it or type the text in. This is why it seems to me that all one can do regarding a sort tag is activate it (call for it, "turn it on").
7) mville, post *236 (4) "&*8230;1 place tells the software what tags to write and not write,&*8230; " I don't know what "write" refers to so I'm left in the dust here.
8) mville, post *236: In the screenshot presented I notice what seems like a tag behavior that we have previously ruled out, (that is, that sort tags do NOT change the sequence of names), but that sort tags DO result in alphabetizing them; (i.e. a sort tags does NOT change Gustav Mahler to Mahler, Gustav. Note, however, that in the screenshot the Artists (Placido Domingo, etc.) have indeed been rearranged under Artist sort to Domingo, Placido, etc. This seems to be the situation we firmly ruled out earlier. What's happening here? Is sorting an alphabetizing function or a name sequencing function? I think it's pretty important that this issue is understood correctly from the get-go.
9) Oggy, Post *239: Some questions on the screen shot of Album Art:
What is meant by:
"Each track genre the same"
"Album Art" check box; why is that left unchecked? What does it do?
Generally, I have no idea of what any of your album art comments relate to.
"It is entirely your choice if you want to change from embedded to a Folder.jpg, it is one of those settings that often gets implemented later: Together with a couple of friends, we wish we had used it, and unchecked Write ID Tags to Album Art, from the start."
Clearly, I don't want album art attached to each track; one for the album is sufficient. Perhaps the best way to proceed is for you to show me a picture of what I should check and un-check, and I'll set it up that way
My best wishes to everyone for a happy 2018. Certainly the year will be challenging for all of us here in the U.S.
dbarnby
Thank you all for hanging in here with me.
It seems like we're going in circles a bit, and I think the reason is that we are trying to understand (or define) the sort tag issue in a single gulp. Maybe a better approach is to take it piece by piece and nail down each piece one at a time.
It may be that dealing with the following issues one at a time may, indeed, repeat some of the information provided in previous posts, but it will be helpful to me to pull it all together here (if for no other reason than easy reference).
1) I think we've already established that the words that show up in the File Explorer are an exact literal copy of the words put into the tag field at the top of the dbpa window. Is this right or wrong? If this is correct then we can put that one to bed and move on to how tags appear in the Player.
2) I also believe we've already established that the sort-feature has to do ONLY with alphabetizing, and not the reversing of word order (such as changing Gustav Mahler, to Mahler, Gustav). (Except, perhaps for some weird Players). Is that right or wrong?
3) My understanding of the function of the sort version of a tag is to alphabetize; it has to do entirely with how the software (and Player) handle the information, and nothing to do with the sequence of the words the user typed into the tag text box. Those words are handled differently depending on whether the sort function was "activated" or not. Am I correct so far?
4) If so, then there remains a subtle question regarding alphabetizing, and that is: does using a sort tag vs. a regular tag mean, 1) the difference between alphabetizing ,or not alphabetizing at all, or 2) alphabetizing according the first name (as written) vs. the last name (as written) &*8211; in this case G or M &*8211; while maintaining the order of the words?
5) Oggy, you have suggested that maybe the Composer tags are handled differently than the Artist. I surely hope that is not the case. I would hope that the function of sort tags in dbpa is constant as applied to any tag. But this is important to know. Perhaps Spoon knows the answer.
6) I don't see any location where I actually "populate" a sort tag (manually or via internet metadata)? If so, where? (When I hear "populate" it means to me something that I do &*8211; or direct the internet to do.) I don't find any location dealing with any tag that has a text box beside it except the obvious one at the top of the screen and the (linked) one under the "Review Metadata" tag-shaped icon, and both of these are labeled as an "ordinary" tags, e.g., composer or artist, not as composer sort, or artist sort. This is why I'm confused when reference is made to "populating" a sort tag &*8211; there seems to be nowhere to do it or type the text in. This is why it seems to me that all one can do regarding a sort tag is activate it (call for it, "turn it on").
7) mville, post *236 (4) "&*8230;1 place tells the software what tags to write and not write,&*8230; " I don't know what "write" refers to so I'm left in the dust here.
8) mville, post *236: In the screenshot presented I notice what seems like a tag behavior that we have previously ruled out, (that is, that sort tags do NOT change the sequence of names), but that sort tags DO result in alphabetizing them; (i.e. a sort tags does NOT change Gustav Mahler to Mahler, Gustav. Note, however, that in the screenshot the Artists (Placido Domingo, etc.) have indeed been rearranged under Artist sort to Domingo, Placido, etc. This seems to be the situation we firmly ruled out earlier. What's happening here? Is sorting an alphabetizing function or a name sequencing function? I think it's pretty important that this issue is understood correctly from the get-go.
9) Oggy, Post *239: Some questions on the screen shot of Album Art:
What is meant by:
"Each track genre the same"
"Album Art" check box; why is that left unchecked? What does it do?
Generally, I have no idea of what any of your album art comments relate to.
"It is entirely your choice if you want to change from embedded to a Folder.jpg, it is one of those settings that often gets implemented later: Together with a couple of friends, we wish we had used it, and unchecked Write ID Tags to Album Art, from the start."
Clearly, I don't want album art attached to each track; one for the album is sufficient. Perhaps the best way to proceed is for you to show me a picture of what I should check and un-check, and I'll set it up that way
My best wishes to everyone for a happy 2018. Certainly the year will be challenging for all of us here in the U.S.
dbarnby
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