MMC - Faster Scrolling

[kweller]

Re: MMC - Faster Scrolling

In a contest between MMC speed and MMC looking pretty the former wins every time for me.

It's not a major issue, I can still see the icons in Explorer which is where they are most useful; I've just turned off the icon column in MMC.

[donny]

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if you are going to miss the icons then why are you shuting them off?
It's not all about speed

[kweller]

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> Song, Time(incorrect for vbr), Artist, Album & Genre.

On my system it displays song name, time, artist, album, genre, My Rating, Play Count, Last Played - a very similar number of columns to that displayed by MMC on my system.

I have however found what the problem is and it's nothing to do with MMC at all so I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time and risking being burned at the stake as an MMC Heretic by the Spoon Apostles! ;-)

All it took was for someone to say "iTunes scrolls no quicker than MMC on my machine" (thank you Joseph) to send me back for a closer look as it sure as hell was on my machine however small the number of columns MMC displayed.

Anyway, the culprit was MP3-Info extension. It's such a long time since I installed it I had completely forgotten it was there and just took the informational icons as part of MMC. They don't display in iTunes so there was no impact on display speed. Once that was de-installed MMC scrolling was up to a speed I could cope with (not quite as fast as iTunes though! <g,d&r>).

I'm going to miss those icons...

[donny]

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for one ther can be no program that is 100 times better than dAP- maybe 1.01, but that again would be just preferences, so for some it wouldn't be 0.6 of dAP.
and yes some of us have a lot of time "invested" in dAP - in skining, in this forum, maintaining our MMCs, - me personally have spent a lot of hours working on the Quemaster - now I know the system better than the most of the users.
and on the third hand it would be weird getting used to playlists again

[Joseph]

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> Now you can see why DBpowerAmp Scrolls slower than iTunes.

No, I'm afraid I don't.

iTunes Generally displays:

Song, Time(incorrect for vbr), Artist, Album & Genre.

So if you set DBpowerAmp to do the same thing:

Put 0 for everything else, and set,

Track 1
Length 2
Artist 3
Album 4
Genre 5

you will see scroll speeds similar to iTunes, well I do anyway on my Pentium II 450MHz :smile2:

[Razgo]

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lol, no there is no Spoon cult following. I have been helping Spoon in a behind the scenes way for a few years. I have spent 100's of hours in maintaining the forum which includes me spending hours tracking down and fixing problems with the support of vbulletin staff. most of which goes unseen even by Spoon. every time the server gets hacked I am there to help re upload and restore the this forum, which involves some SSH/Telnet knowledge and SQL commands that needed to be learned so i could do it.

I set up the current Skin site which involves some knowledge and undestanding "content management systems" and how they work. and also in this case i need to understand a php coder developer when i need to alter the php code to produce a certain featrure or effect or fix something that get's broken.

i am currently testing out new software for the skin site to make it more user friendly for both administration and end user side of things. and god knows how many hours i have spent on that.

i also do the backups for Spoons rioworld community forums.

so i can assure you there is a little more depth to me than a Groupie :D

[kweller]

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> if there is a better audio app out there that is 100 times better than dap/dmc
> it would not be enough for me to go.

The Cult of Spoon. Interesting concept!

[kweller]

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> iTunes displays less information than DBpowerAmp does.

MMC only displays that amount of information if that's how your system is set up. On mine it displays artist, track, genre, preference, length, album, track, kbps, year and played - that all fits on the screen. If I cut it down even further it makes little difference.

> Now you can see why DBpowerAmp Scrolls slower than iTunes.

No, I'm afraid I don't.

[Joseph]

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I was looking at what you had to say about the scrolling thing. iTunes displays less information than DBpowerAmp does.

DBpowerAmp displays:

Artist
track
Genre
Preference (with Graphical Stars)
Length(Calculated for VBR, iTunes does not correctly calculate length for vbr)
Album
Track Number
Bitrate(Also calculated VBR,)
kHz
Size
FileType(wma, mp3, mpc, mp4, aac, ogg, ape, flac, ect.)
Channels
Volume Boost(Also Graphical)
Year
Full File Name
Play Count
Date Added

iTunes Generally Displays:

Song, Time(incorrect for vbr), Artist, Album & Genre


Now you can see why DBpowerAmp Scrolls slower than iTunes.

[Razgo]

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If there was something better with good support and no move to improve the local offering I'm afraid I'd be off like a shot and I don't think Spoon would want it any other way to be honest.

i would have to disagree with you there. for me there would have to be a reason to want to look elswhere in the first place. if Spoon wasn't advancing any further with the product i would still not leave. but that's not likely because that would go against the very grain of a developer.

i guess i believe in commitment to Spoon and his software. it would take a drastick change of attitude where Spoon lost the plot and turned nasty for me to up and go.

what i am saying is i am here because of Spoon, not because of his audio apps. so if there is a better audio app out there that is 100 times better than dap/dmc it would not be enough for me to go.

[kweller]

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> (but maybe i am wrong here).

Frayed so. I've posted about it before but decided in the end it was down to the machine it was on or Windows itself rather than an intrinsic slowness in MMC. I have now proved conclusively (to myself anyway!) that it is neither.

> and me questioning your undying for support for Spoon

No, no, no, I'm fickle I'm afraid. Spoon is a nice helpful bloke (Hi Spoon, just ignore me talking about you as if you're not here!) but I use his software because it's the best damn software out there. If there was something better with good support and no move to improve the local offering I'm afraid I'd be off like a shot and I don't think Spoon would want it any other way to be honest.

> it has nothing to do with you personally

Don't worry about it, I'm thick-skinned and rarely take anything personally but we are going to have to stop blowing each other kisses - people will talk!

[Razgo]

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P.S, if i am coming across as a bit aggetated it has nothing to do with you personally, so please try not to take it that way :komisch9: just other issues i am dealing with.

[Razgo]

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it wasn't me being defensive about dbpoweramp but rather i couldn't figure why it took to look at another player to realize you should post about a scroll speed problem you had. (but maybe i am wrong here). if the speed issue was there before then Spoon would bend over backwards to try and figure out where the problem is. but then again Spoon can at least do a comparison test to see the difference.

and no, nothing made me think you would be droping dap and going with itunes. that was'nt even in my mind.

i guess in some ways i get slightly defensive because i don't want to see dbpoweramp end up looking like all the other apps out there. and i probably should stay away from hydrogenaudio forums because they are obsessively picky/fussy at just about everything!

and me questioning your undying for support for Spoon and dbpoweramp was the furtherest thing from my mind. sorry if it came out that way

[kweller]

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Have you no curiosity Grasshopper?

dAP is still on my music server as there was no contest, iTunes isn't but it was definitely worth a look.

You seem quite defensive when it comes to dAP/dMC so I guess I ought to add that I've been running Spoon's software since Shuffler, was one of if not the first to register the PowerPack and had been pushing Spoon for some time to try to get some return for his hard work. One should never say "Never" but it is highly unlikely that anything else will supplant dAP/dMC on my machines as the whether-to-use decision is influenced by many things including support.

My response to finding some facet that, IMO, is better in another application is to post something in the Wishlist suggesting it is looked at. That's what I did here and I can see nothing in my posts that could lead you to believe I was going to replace it with iTunes because it scrolls faster. iTunes looks and feels more like a windows application as well (again, IMO) but I don't want to look at it either (no non-default skins in use here!) I just want to use it. <looks for smilie that says 'This isn't a rant, this is explanation' but can't find one!>

[Razgo]

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The bottom line is iTunes scrolls significantly faster than MMC. Unless you install iTunes and see for yourself you are unlikely to appreciate the difference.

well that's just it. there would have to be a whole lot more to attract me to want to install another audio app that just has faster scrolling.

My wish (as this is the Wishlist topic) is that the gap should be closed. I realise we don't get all our wishes but one never knows what the tooth fairy will bring!

fair enough too :D

however "the gap should be closed" was well and truly closed a long time ago i think. of course to do a full comparison i would have to test all functions of itunes and then compare it to what dbpoweramp offers. however i think i could take a wild guess here and say making MMC scroll faster isn't what will make MMC better. i am just looking at the overall bigger picture here though.

but don't worry about me, as i am like a dog who won't let go of the bone :D