commas in naming ... how?

[rkk]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

This info might not directly assist 'Garyd9' but may assist others with NAMING CONVENTION Strings and STANDARD DSPs.

1) <WHAT to do with THE> To automatically change Artists names to 'NAME, The' instead of 'The NAME'-

+ Select 'Menu'(Green List Icon) / 'CD Ripper Options' / 'Tags & File Names' / 'Meta Data & ID Tag - OPTIONS' / put a check in the box 'Replace 'The [artist]' with '[artist], The'.


2) <NICE Naming Convention strings> -

+ Two nice dynamic naming strings some nice person (thanks) offered me years ago from dBpoweramp FORUM:
"Heres the dynamic naming string I use. It automatically deals with compilations and multi disks. Just copy it and paste into The box where you enter naming. Try it with ripping and see if you like the outcome."

---- For ALAC, using "Compilations" folder instead of "Various Artists":

[IFCOMP]Compilations\[album][IFMULTI]\Disc [disc][]\[track]-[title]-[artist][][IF!COMP][IFVALUE]album artist,[album artist],[artist][]\[album][IFMULTI]\Disc [disc][]\[track]-[title][]


---- For FLAC, using "Various Artists" folder (not "Compilations"):

[IFCOMP]Various Artists\[album][IFMULTI]\Disc [disc][]\[track]-[title]-[artist][][IF!COMP][IFVALUE]album artist,[album artist],[artist][]\[album][IFMULTI]\Disc [disc][]\[track]-[title][]

* We use these with [Mult-Encoder] simultaneously inputting to our [FLAC] and [ALAC]Apple Lossless (M4a -Level5) as we rip cd once, adding all the info we would ever want about the album.


3) <DSPs used> -

+ We typically only use:

- ReplayGain (Track & Album Gain) [calculate Replay Gain, or EBU R128 volume adjustment]
- HDCD (w +6 db Amplification...) [decode HDCD Audio Cds (Windows Only)]
- Audio CD - Hidden Track (w -dbsilence+"-54" Window(Detection Threshold)="4000"ms) [remove mid-track silence]
- Audio CD - Silence Track Deletion [remove silence tracks from Audio CD]

(we use a few others depending on the needs of the CD being processed)


HOPE this helps some. Thanks for past assistance from others, and have FUN TODAY!
~ rkk

[sestriel]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

SOLUTION
If anyone, like me, came across this thread while looking for a solution, to use commas in a naming string - like garyd9's large rules.

U can use <comma_> and it will be replaced with a real comma.

That's all. :-)

[garyd9]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

its not working, is there any other way to change it ???

What, exactly, is not working? (Please be descriptive... no one can possibly know what is inside your head, so you have to tell us.)

[garyd9]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

If you don't sort by last name, then you would set Album Artist Sort to Elton John

I don't want to have to set it myself. Every single thing I have to do manually (for each CD) is something else I can forget to do, or something I can screw up. I realize some of the automatic stuff won't work all the time. However, it does work the majority (80+ percent) of the time, and in those cases I don't have to do anything except glance at the artwork and metadata screens.

Anyway - now that I have the directory naming working the way I want, this thread is a moot point. I'd rather people reading the thread learn from my experience working with the naming stuff than to read a debate over automation vs manual editing.

Take care
Gary

[mville]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

Hmm.. Just played with it a bit, and I'm not thrilled with how it works. For example, I happened to have an "Elton John" CD in the drive, and it was changing the album sort to "John, Elton" (I don't sort by last name.)

If you don't sort by last name, then you would set Album Artist Sort to Elton John

I wonder if it would also sort "Pink Floyd" as "Floyd, Pink".

Only if you rip the CD with Album Artist Sort set to Floyd, Pink

To explain where I'm coming from, in my experience, getting the tags and artwork set correctly before ripping is essential and I would not recommend a slap-dash approach in CDRipper.

I know it's a little time consuming, but getting the tags and artwork right at this point saves a lot of time further down the line, especially considering the plethora of media servers/media players/streaming devices that you may come across in the future.

When it comes to building my music library, I go by the Benjamin Franklin quote "By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail"

[garyd9]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

I think I got it! By replacing the "if/else" type statements (see my post above) with just "if" statements (again - see the above post), it doesn't get confused by the comma. Now the full string is:

[IF!EQUALS]album artist,,[IFEQUALS]album artist,The [DEL]1,4,[album artist][],[TRIM][DEL]1,4,[album artist][], The[][][IF!EQUALS]album artist,The [DEL]1,4,[album artist][],[TRIM][album artist][][][][IFEQUALS]album artist,,[IFCOMP]Various Artists[][IF!COMP][artist][][]\[album]\[IFMULTI]Disc [disc]\[][track] [IFCOMP][artist] - [][title]

Now, and I'm going to blame @mville for this, I wonder if I can use this type of thing to populate ID tags. (Answer: Quick check of the docs, and it looks like I can use an external script to do it...)

Take care
Gary

[garyd9]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

In CDRipper, it may or may not get populated from the online metadata sources. You would have to check that it is set correctly, before ripping. If it is not set, you would have to add it manually.

Hmm.. Just played with it a bit, and I'm not thrilled with how it works. For example, I happened to have an "Elton John" CD in the drive, and it was changing the album sort to "John, Elton" (I don't sort by last name.) I wonder if it would also sort "Pink Floyd" as "Floyd, Pink". (If so, I'll offer it a cigar.)

I might try rewriting my "naming" string to make it a bit less complicated (by making longer than it already is.) Instead of using conditionals that have if/else, I'll just use "if" types. For example, instead of: "[IFVALUE]album artist, [album artist], Various[]", it might work better if I use something like: "[IFEQUALS]album artist,,Various[][IF!EQUALS]album artist,,[album artist][]"

Not sure.. I'll have to play around some more. It should would be easier if there was just a way to escape commas so they aren't interpreted as a function delimiter. Or perhaps a new pseudo-tag: [comma] - inserts a comma.

[mville]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

Hmm... Could I populate it automatically so that it could be used in naming directories when I rip a CD?

In CDRipper, it may or may not get populated from the online metadata sources. You would have to check that it is set correctly, before ripping. If it is not set, you would have to add it manually.

[garyd9]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

... or consider populating the Sort Album Artist tag and using it in the 'Naming ' section.

Hmm... Could I populate it automatically so that it could be used in naming directories when I rip a CD? Perhaps something kind of script that runs after the metadata is loaded? I'm trying to avoid manual work (as I tend to forget steps when I'm in a pattern of ripping hundreds of CD's.)

If I have to manually edit something, it's faster for me to just rename the artist directory some time later after I've ripped all the CD's for an artist. Of course, I'd RATHER have it work automatically.

Here's my ideal work flow (for literally over 400 CD's): Insert disc; Verify the cover art; Glance quickly at the metadata to ensure the proper disc was selected and there aren't any obvious errors; Click "Rip."

[garyd9]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

Rather than try to use a "one-size-fits-all" approach with your naming string, I'd suggest you instead use ripping profiles for the main categories of albums you use.

For *me*, that would be more error prone than dealing with long complicated strings. I'm VERY likely to forget to change a profile, and would rather spend 3 days doing nothing but trying to find the "perfect" naming string. Once I find that perfection, I can leave it alone (for at least 4 weeks.)

I realize that this isn't exactly sane. My only excuse is that I'm a professional software engineer.

Take care
Gary

[mville]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

I'd suggest you instead use ripping profiles for the main categories of albums you use

... or consider populating the Sort Album Artist tag and using it in the 'Naming ' section.

[BrodyBoy]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

Rather than try to use a "one-size-fits-all" approach with your naming string, I'd suggest you instead use ripping profiles for the main categories of albums you use. Even just using a separate "Compilations" profile allows you to remove that contingency (and all its verbiage) from your other naming string(s). This accomplishes two things:

(1) You avoid the problem you're dealing with right now. Long, complicated naming strings are really tedious to construct and debug, and it seems like there's always a new circumstance you have to go back and write in.

(2) You can better "fine tune" the profile for the specific type of album (the profile is meant for). For example, I organize compilations differently than I do "regular" albums, and I prefer a different naming scheme for them as well. My Compilations ripping profile is constructed to address these specs, and my other ripping profiles aren't cluttered up with any IFCOMP/IF!COMP contingency strings.

[garyd9]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

Another variation that fails:

[IFVALUE]album artist,[IFEQUALS]album artist,The [DEL]1,4,[album artist][],[TRIM][DEL]1,4,[album artist][], The[][][IF!EQUALS]album artist,The [DEL]1,4,[album artist][],[album artist][],[IFCOMP]Various Artists[][IF!COMP][artist][][]\[album]\[IFMULTI]Disc [disc]\[][track] [IFCOMP][artist] - [][title]

Same issue:

Beatles\The Best Of\01 Track Name.

[garyd9]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

This doesn't work in the context I'm using it in. (Perhaps my fault for not explaining that this is part of a much larger string.)

Here's my full Naming string:

[IFVALUE]album artist,[album artist],[IFCOMP]Various Artists[][IF!COMP][artist][][]\[album]\[IFMULTI]Disc [disc]\[][track] [IFCOMP][artist] - [][title]

(I'm doing quite a bit here... I know..)

For the purpose of discussion, I'll assume an album artist of "The Beatles" and an album name of "The Best Of".

The above string will show up as:

The Beatles\The Best Of\01 Track Name

I'd LIKE for it to show up as:

Beatles, The\The Best Of\01 Track Name

Making the change you suggested, I end up with the following naming:

[IFVALUE]album artist,[IFEQUALS]artist,The [DEL]1,4,[artist][],[TRIM][DEL]1,4,[artist][], The[][],[IFCOMP]Various Artists[][IF!COMP][artist][][]\[album]\[IFMULTI]Disc [disc]\[][track] [IFCOMP][artist] - [][title]

Which formats the string as:

Beatles\The Best Of\01 Track Name

For albums with artists that don't have "The", it somehow just completely cuts off the artist name. (So, the example shown in the naming dialog comes up as "\Immaculate\05 Holiday"

So, I'm back to my original string (using a semi-colon):

[IFVALUE]album artist,[IF][SETLEN]4,,,[album artist][],=,The ,[GRAB]5,,[album artist][]; The,[album artist][],[IFCOMP]Various Artists[][IF!COMP][artist][][]\[album]\[IFMULTI]Disc [disc]\[][track] [IFCOMP][artist] - [][title]

... and then manually renaming the directory after everything is ripped...

Suggestion?

Thanks
Gary

[Spoon-]

Re: commas in naming ... how?

To change an artist such as 'The Beatles' to 'Beatles, The':

[IFEQUALS]artist,The [DEL]1,4,[artist][],[TRIM][DEL]1,4,[artist][], The[][]