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  • dvdr
    dBpoweramp Enthusiast

    • Sep 2008
    • 235

    Meta data lookup from existing files + a few more questions & problems I encountered

    Hi
    using you great and thought trough application for a few days now with much more pleasure than anything I had before (I have downloaded and installed everything including 13.1 beta).
    Since I have already ripped half of my CD-collection (12.000 tracks....), I'd rather rip the rest and not start reripping the already existing.
    Now, a few questions, that I encountered within the last days - thanks in advance for bearing with me and helping me:

    1. Most of my classical collection is missing important tags, that I could not add using EAC->freedb, like Conductor, Ensemble etc. Is there any way to look them up using this wonderful MetaData-Lookup you are providing in your CD-Ripper. If not, this would be a suggestion to add to your application (Either the "Edit ID-Tag" in the context menu or the batch encoder, with just using the Edit-ID-Tag plugin): add a Disc-Title, Artist and some more info you have and do a meta-data lookup with the different providers.... I have seen something similar (but not as efficient) with Tag&Rename, they look up their info with amazon, display a selection of possible matches and you select the proper album and get displayed the results.

    2. When I select "Edit ID-tag" in the context menu and make chances, these seem not to be applied. In the context menu, I also do have "audioshell information" by softpointer. It still displays the old information after updating the ID-Tag with your "Edit ID-tag". Same goes for other applications, that read the tags, like JRiver Media-Center. ID-tags, that are created during ripping or conversion processes are read properly, though.

    3. I seem to have trouble with certain tags, that are not existing in my current files or are used in different ways by different applications:
    - what would be an official tag for an orchestra - is it "ensemble" or "band"? YOU use a tag called "band" in your context menu of "Edit ID Tag", other applications have a tag called "ensemble".

    - Same goes with the "lyrics"-tag. If I enter something there (or choose a map-command to map my comments to the lyrics-tag), these informations for example do not show up on my Ipod, inside ITunes or inside my "server-program" (JRiver Media-Center). On the other hand, when I enter Lyrics in ITunes of JRiver (both recognize changes inside the respective other program), it would not show up in YOUR tags.

    - are ID-Tags case sensitive - is Artist different from artist?

    - is there some sort of "official list" on ID-tags, where I could look up naming conventions?

    4. About 50% of the times, I get crashes of Windows Explorer when right clicking. This only happened after the installation of dbpoweramp. And: it only happens on my "big" computer, not on my laptop. Both run Win XP with all the latest updates. When I disable "Edit ID-Tag" to be shown in the context-menu, those crashes are gone. Any idea, what to look after to prevent that?

    5. Since I have a lot of Classical music with European artists, I need to support special characters. Is it right, that I have to select UTF16 instead of ANSI? Will all applications understand UTF16 (I have read, that there also is UTF8...). Or am I mixing things up there?

    6. I seem to get in trouble, when later on accessing the ripped files over the network. Somehow, it seems, that once you are directly working ON the computer where the files are, allowed lengths of paths are longer that when accessing them over the network (Some of them, I can neither rename nor index them over the network - it seems, these are the ones with really long filenames). What are allowed max. filename lengths (or max. allowed characters of a whole path, if applicable) when working over a network? I never encountered this error before, since I have been working directly on the computer, but now, I am building a home network and get these problems with all the files, that have long filenames

    7. For some music, I chose to rip or convert using Multi-Encoder to mp3 and flac. Everything work fine with mp3, but writing flac failed for a strange reason. Never occured using the normal flac-encoder in dbpoweramp and doing mp3 in a second session. This MAY have something to do with path-lengths as well (is that some sort of command-line-task, where old DOS-rules apply?), but I am not sure. Please advise.

    8: Finally, a question about multiple artist. Example: the famous Ella & Louis CD. What way would I use to make it possible, that later on, the songs are indexed both for Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong? Would that have to be entered in the Artist-Tag or in the Album-Artist Tag or both? Do different applications have different ways of treating this tag? Will the Artist tag be written two times, or is there a naming convention for Multiple Artists (I am not talking about Compilation albums!)?

    Again, thanks for helping me along in that matter and bearing with my long list of questions.
    Last edited by dvdr; September 10, 2008, 11:31 AM. Reason: missing question
  • Spoon
    Administrator
    • Apr 2002
    • 44505

    #2
    Re: Meta data lookup from existing files + a few more questions & problems I encounte

    1. CD Ripping is the only way for dbpoweramp to fetch tags.
    2. If the files have (mp3) id3v2.4 tags, dbpoweramp will not work.
    3. Depends on audio format and tag type used, band is used as album artist these days.
    Tags are not case sensitve.
    No official list, difffent formats / programs have differing standards.
    4. Does RC >> 'Convert To' crash explorer? does it crash before even clicking edit tag?
    5. UTF-8 is only id3v2.4, not a great standard for compatibility
    6. Should be the same if they are Windows shares, of 260 chars
    7. You would have to experiment if you think it is filename length
    8. Album artist is not used for multi artist tags, rather you should write 'Artist 1; Artist 2' and dbpoweramp will write the correct way depending on audio format and tag used.
    Spoon
    www.dbpoweramp.com

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    • LtData
      dBpoweramp Guru

      • May 2004
      • 8288

      #3
      Re: Meta data lookup from existing files + a few more questions & problems I encounte

      4. Version of Windows and dMC?

      6. Note that the path of the files on the original server matters too, so if you have the files nested deep in the file tree (i.e. C:\documents and settings\<userprofile>\my documents\my music) you have less characters to work with, try moving the files closer to the root (i.e. C:\music).

      7. See #6 about shortening the path.

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      • dvdr
        dBpoweramp Enthusiast

        • Sep 2008
        • 235

        #4
        Re: Meta data lookup from existing files + a few more questions &amp; problems I encounte

        Hi
        and thanks a lot for helping me!
        To answer your most valued feedback:

        2. I was referring to ID-Tags created by dMC itself, so it should be consistent within, right? So: creating the file with dMC, edit it with dMC context menue "edit ID Tag" -> does not change the Tag

        4. WIN XP (all the latest updates) & dMC 13.1 (beta). It crashes Windows Explorer before even selecting "Edit ID-Tag", it crashes right away when I right-click any file. And: only on my big computer, the Laptop is not affected... As I said: seems to be caused by "Edit ID-Tag", since when I disable it to be shown in Windows Explorer in dMC options, the problem is gone.

        7. Just for clarification as how to use Multi-Artist values:

        Anne Murray: Duets - Friends & Legends
        SHE is the one on the cover and invited different friends to sing duets with her. So:
        Is SHE the "Album Artist" (since it's HER album), and is "Artist" to be considered as so to say "Track Artist" (Anne Murray; Martina McBride or Anne Murray; Dusty Springfield)
        or
        would I have to drop the field "Album Artist" at all for dMC to work properly? Right now, I am "thinking on track-level", since a lot of my music collection - especially classical music - has to be indexed on track level rather than on album level (and you know those "Chopin"-albums, where track 1 - 3 is piano concerto no. 1 with this pianist, this conductor and this orchestra, and track 4 - 6 is piano concerte no. 2 with that pianist, that conductor and that orchestra and track 7 is just a chopin solo piano piece with just the pianist).
        Seems to be very tricky to index those discs so I could find them afterwards.

        Btw.: I would love to point your interest to JRiver Media Center, to my knowledge, they are the only ones where I could really script "music trees" for searches as I could script routines in dMC when it comes to folder-creation when ripping. This is espially helpful with classical and Jazz-music
        (if Genre=Classical, then please give me a tree composer->composition->artist->album, if Genre is not Classical, then just show me a tree Genre->Album Artist->Album, but only, if it's not a compilation, otherwise...).
        Unfortunately, they do not fully comply with the tags dMC creates :-(

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        • LtData
          dBpoweramp Guru

          • May 2004
          • 8288

          #5
          Re: Meta data lookup from existing files + a few more questions &amp; problems I encounte

          2. What are your tag settings for mp3?
          4. 32-bit or 64-bit? What other items do you have in the shell menu?

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