AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

[LtData]

AMD has filed suit againt Intel, citing anti-competitive antitrust practices by Intel to exclude AMD chips from manufacturer's products. See links below for more info:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050628-5047.html

http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24481

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/28/123253&from=rss

http://go.theregister.com/feed/http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/06/28/amd_files_antitrust/

http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?i...&category=main
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...628010541.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050628_102226.html

[iTunesIsEvil]

Re: AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

I personally hope that AMD kicks some arse here. I believe that Intel really does do a lot of coercion with their clients. I think that many companies have been given a "sure you can sell AMD too, here's the price structure for that." And then they just show the company some numbers that would rape anyone's bottom line.

Also, this bother's me quite a bit (from the slashdot article):
...the Opteron, for example, supports the SSE2 instruction set (and supports it faster than a Pentium 4 Xeon based on my benchmarks) when you call in to any function in the Intel Integrated Performance Primitives (IPP), it will "watershed" to the default pentium, non-optimized code. It will NOT run the SSE2, SSE, or even MMX enabled functions.

I think that's ridiculous. I don't think that Intel needs to write code to specifically support AMD processors, but at the same time I don't think they need to write their code to specifically break if an AMD processor is what's found in a system. Just like when MS has pages that are "IE Only."

I'm all about competition, but not to the point(s) that Intel has gone: (more from slashdot link)
When AMD succeeded in getting on the HP retail roadmap for mobile computers, and its products sold well, Intel responded by withholding HP's fourth quarter 2004 rebate check and refusing to waive HP's failure to achieve its targeted rebate goal; it allowed HP to make up the shortfall in succeeding quarters by promising Intel at least 90% of HP's mainstream retail business.

*Threatening retaliation against customers for introducing AMD computer platforms, particularly in strategic market segments such as commercial desktop;

*Then-Compaq CEO Michael Capellas said in 2000 that because of the volume of business given to AMD, Intel withheld delivery of critical server chips. Saying "he had a gun to his head," he told AMD he had to stop buying.


In Conclusion:



Oh, and also: BRING IT INTEL, BEAT THIS:

[LtData]

Re: AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

One thing about the Athlon X2, though:
With AMD, high prices normally reflect an inability to make a lot of the CPUs. See the original Athlon 64s and Athlon FXs. They're uber-expensive because, as simple economics says, if you can't make a lot of them, make them expensive so you don't piss lots of people off. Now, the Athlon 64s and FXs are expensive to help AMDs bottom line. Personally, I will not purchase an Athlon X2 until they are cheaper than $550-600USD for the cheapest one. Also, AMD is introducing new Sockets next year, further proving my point. Socket M2 for desktops and Opteron 1xx line, Socket F1 for the rest of the server chips and S1 for the mobile chips.

Edit: And anyone with eye-balls knows the Athlon 64 kills the P4 in all benchmarks except video encoding and rendering. For gaming? Ha, anything EXCEPT an A64 will be a joke. The Prescott was correctly called a "PresHott" originally and it is still correct. The fastest Intel Extreme (aka Expensive) Edition dual-core can hit up to 200W of dissipated heat. Small space-heater, anyone?

[neilthecellist]

Re: AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

Ok, I know this is a rated G forum, so I'll keep my perspective out of the flame category.

I've always loved AMD. The first thing that attracted my brother was the price. At first, we thought, "Oh psh. Lower price processor? Never heard of this piece of junk. Intel." So our first computer was an old Intel 1.3/1.4 (can't remember the Ghz now). Anyway, it sucked. Obviously, it was a low speed for gaming, but still, an AMD could do better.

Then my brother was on his way of converting and recently purchased an AMD64 3000+ (overclocked beats Spoon!! sorry man) and we were blown away by the graphics. In FarCry, on his new nVidia Geforce 6600 softmodded to 6800GT, we've been topping the 60 FPS line and going into the seventies.

At first, we thought it was just his new processor. We looked at the counterpart, the Intel P4 3.0 ghz, built in with a non-softmodded 6800GT. FPS never went above 55 in FarCry, don't show the benchmarks guys, I saw it myself. AMD > Inhell (may I cuss? please? )

Oh and, my P4 1.8 ghz that I own overheated twice because of the crappy system Dell ships. My brother is happy with his AMD64, which has never overheated with his ThermalTake fanless cooler.

AMD !s t3h r0x3rs!!!one111!111!!!!elevenone!one!!!

[LtData]

Re: AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

*headdesks* And we wonder what the future of America will be like when people like neil become adults. Heaven help us all.
Anyway, Dell is always about the passive heatsink, shroud, and fan for cooling their CPUs. Remember kinda, P4 = space heater, A64 = power.
As for the overclocking.. Can you not remember that Spoon isn't going to game on his system a lot? His card is a Radeon 9550, for crying out loud.

[iTunesIsEvil]

Re: AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

I've never had heating problems with my A64 3200+ with the stock hs/f that came in the box. Works like a charm. This was a pleasant surprise for me as my last AMD processor (Athlon XP 1.0Ghz in a laptop) started to have some serious problems with heat toward the end of its life span. I'm currently looking at Socket A boards to stick it in and end up running an el Cheapo (official term there people, make a note of it ) "server" out of my basement with SuSE 9.1.

@LtData: Got any linkage for me and my love of dorky tech reading regarding the AMD socket changes? I'm digging 939, I wish they were'nt changing. That will be about just over a year, maybe a year and a half of their 64bit 939 processors before they change. That seems fast? Agree? Disagree?

[edit]I opened up my Dell at work yesterday when I did some P4 swapping with a guy's computer (he "left" so i played scavenger). Luckily the bosses dont mind that I swapped a 1.6 for a 2.4. I had a good chuckle about how the cooling works with the processors in the Dells though. Man... A TINY heatsink and then a "wind tunnel" (for lack of a better term) that funnels to a big fan on the back.

[LtData]

Re: AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

Socket M2/F1/S1:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/09/amd_socket_m2_desktops/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...127022248.html

http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/Athlon64.gif

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050504_145314.html

Note that socket M2 will have 940 pins, not 1,000+ as was originally thought. This is also when AMD will be switching to DDR2. A theory is that basically Socket 939 will be supported at least through the end of 06, but the move will be to M2 as it will support DDR2 and other neat stuff.

[Joseph]

Re: AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

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[LtData]

Re: AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

*scratches his head* Joseph, how is that pertinent to the topic?