Genre / Style

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Genre / Style

... even R&B was a completely different style than it is now.

I had no idea what R&B was when I heard it this decade. It's nothing like the R&B of the 70s and 80s! You used to have a Friday night 'Rhythm And Blues Jam' down at the local, which consisted of a couple of guitars, bass and drums - with a lead singer who maybe doubled on harmonica. They played '12 Bar Blues', fundamentally.

Goodness knows what it's been turned into now!?

[Oggy]

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Oggy,

Thanks, that was very interesting.

Until I was in my 20s, I only thought of music as being either: Pop, Rock, Jazz or Classical. That was it really! But then, after getting deeper into Jazz, I learned of the different 'periods': eg. Blues, Traditional, Dixie, Big Band, and so on chronologically ...

Similarly, I agree that in the record stores of the 80s (eg. HMV, Andy's Records, Our Price, etc) Rock was Rock, Jazz was Jazz, and Classical was Classical.

I actually only intended to use the STYLE tag for Jazz exclusively; but upon completing my Jazz rips and starting upon other GENRES (eg. Country, Stage & Screen, Prog. Rock), I can see its usefulness. Had I have not had a top-heavy Jazz collection with many definitive STYLES, I probably would have done away with this tag altogether.

I clearly recall Steeleye Span, which I guess is Folk-Rock being next to, or very close to Steely Dan, which is Jazz-Rock? Record shops clearly didn't have their Genre / Style tags sorted in those days: even R&B was a completely different style than it is now.

I actually see Brand X as far more Jazz-Rock, rather than Steely Dan, but that's simply because I was told as a 15 year old, that when I borrowed Unorthodox Behaviour and Moroccan Roll, that's what they were!

Yes, there were some great record shops, Parrott Records, another that comes to mind. I shudder to think just how much I spent in Andy's Records over the years.....

Back to Genre / Style, I noticed earlier that the Style for British Music on Lyrita by Quad, which I used in Don's thread, Set-Up for Ripping, shows as TIT1: Modern/Contemporary. I simply tagged it as Genre - Classical, and didn't uncheck Style.... KISS!

[monsterjazzlick]

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Don't believe that you can configure it, but simply click on submit changes to freedb, once you are happy with your alterations.

OK, cheers Oggy. I will take a look this week.

[monsterjazzlick]

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Oggy,

Thanks, that was very interesting.

Until I was in my 20s, I only thought of music as being either: Pop, Rock, Jazz or Classical. That was it really! But then, after getting deeper into Jazz, I learned of the different 'periods': eg. Blues, Traditional, Dixie, Big Band, and so on chronologically ...

Similarly, I agree that in the record stores of the 80s (eg. HMV, Andy's Records, Our Price, etc) Rock was Rock, Jazz was Jazz, and Classical was Classical.

I actually only intended to use the STYLE tag for Jazz exclusively; but upon completing my Jazz rips and starting upon other GENRES (eg. Country, Stage & Screen, Prog. Rock), I can see its usefulness. Had I have not had a top-heavy Jazz collection with many definitive STYLES, I probably would have done away with this tag altogether.

[garym]

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Excellent point Oggy. Somehow I managed to listen to lots of music for about 45 years before the concept of 'genre' came into my head. On visiting record stores, I had to look at the rock/pop section or the jazz section. Most stores had these two plus classical. At some point I started seeing "blues" sections and "soundtrack" sections.

[Oggy]

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Paul,

In the various discussions regarding Genre / Style, I have come to the realisation that for 30 odd years I had absolutely no consideration towards Genre / Style. When I was younger I listened to a limited style of music, and then for a large proportion of my listening time, I was exposed to all kinds of different musical styles(!!) and simply listened, watched and performed, music.

In all honesty, it wasn't until I started ripping my CDs, that I started considering Genre / Style. Even though I have Steely Dan and Donald Fagen on vinyl, apart from a couple of Steely Dan compilations, I've not needed to categorise them, and 35 years ago, my only thoughts were that it was rock, with a clear jazz influence, but far more importantly; music I enjoyed.

Listening to and watching vast amounts of music, sometimes when I wasn't gigging myself, this could mean watching seven bands a week, plus watching jazz Sunday lunchtimes, I didn't read music papers, or watch television, so those genres such as Yacht Rock, which has been used in relation to Steely Dan, have simply passed me by.

I'm sure there must be many more music lovers in a similar position.

Now with the need to populate the Genre box with something so as not to get the dreaded, Unknown genre, some thought is clearly required. After your post regarding different genres of Symphonic / Prog. Rock, I read my wife's book, Marshall: The book of loud. The sub-genres of heavy rock / metal, were bewildering!

In retrospect, I agree with you, it is all about Style, we simply need manufacturers to offer this alongside, Genre, too.

Happy tagging!

[Oggy]

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Hi Oggy, I don't submit to freeb at present. It's something I have not configured. Cheers.

Hi Paul,

Don't believe that you can configure it, but simply click on submit changes to freedb, once you are happy with your alterations.

[monsterjazzlick]

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Hope this isn't too far off thread, but do you submit to freedb, too? I've recently ripped a couple of boxsets of well known artists, The Allman Brothers Band and Traffic, and was surprised that no composers showed up, so submitted them. As two or three of these are very well known albums, I guess that earlier pressings may well have the composer metadata.

Hi Oggy, I don't submit to freeb at present. It's something I have not configured. Cheers.

[Oggy]

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someone mentioned elsewhere (I think) that freedb database doesn't keep track of composer tag field.

Ok, missed that one, so many thanks, and that would certainly explain the missing Composer tag field. Does seem a shame that there is no easy way of sharing metadata, that people have taken the time to populate.

[garym]

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Hope this isn't too far off thread, but do you submit to freedb, too? I've recently ripped a couple of boxsets of well known artists, The Allman Brothers Band and Traffic, and was surprised that no composers showed up, so submitted them. As two or three of these are very well known albums, I guess that earlier pressings may well have the composer metadata.

someone mentioned elsewhere (I think) that freedb database doesn't keep track of composer tag field.

[Oggy]

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Thanks Oggy, I always submit my data to the database. I have set it to do so on a daily basis.

Hope this isn't too far off thread, but do you submit to freedb, too? I've recently ripped a couple of boxsets of well known artists, The Allman Brothers Band and Traffic, and was surprised that no composers showed up, so submitted them. As two or three of these are very well known albums, I guess that earlier pressings may well have the composer metadata.

[monsterjazzlick]

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Hi Paul,

As you say, submitting it to the database, will add confidence to the next person's rip; Accurate (2).

As previously mentioned, and suggested elsewhere, all we can do to help others, is use, Active Providers - Submit Changes to - freedb. I believe you do this, and hopefully over time, a couple of clicks submitting changes, will assist other users by improving the metadata available from freedb.

Thanks Oggy, I always submit my data to the database. I have set it to do so on a daily basis.

[monsterjazzlick]

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Not likely. Our entries made before ripping don't update the databases CD Ripper uses to populate metadata. (There's a thread discussing that somewhere around here.)

Oh yes; I remember reading that middle of last year when I first joined here.

[Oggy]

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Maybe it will complete all of the track titles and artists names for the next person?

Hi Paul,

As you say, submitting it to the database, will add confidence to the next person's rip; Accurate (2).

As previously mentioned, and suggested elsewhere, all we can do to help others, is use, Active Providers - Submit Changes to - freedb. I believe you do this, and hopefully over time, a couple of clicks submitting changes, will assist other users by improving the metadata available from freedb.

[Jailhouse]

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Maybe it will complete all of the track titles and artists names for the next person?

Not likely. Our entries made before ripping don't update the databases CD Ripper uses to populate metadata. (There's a thread discussing that somewhere around here.)