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  • schmidj
    dBpoweramp Guru

    • Nov 2013
    • 548

    #76
    Two things: First, you can (and should) add the ARTIST tag to the list of tracks under where you see Title, Length, rip status, etc. If you right click (on a PC, I'm not sure what you do on a Mac) on that heading field, you'll get a list of all the fields you can display with check boxes. Add the ARTIST field (and any other you want to see by track) and they will now have their own column. You can also drag the columns around if you want to change the order, and shrink or expand the columns as you desire. (for instance, to make more space you could shrink your length column as it is far wider than needed.) If you rip a CD, it should save the new layout so you only have to do this once, unless or until you decide to change the layout again.

    But there is a another useful way to enter (or see what is entered) metadata. Click on the red thing that looks like a shipping tag at the top of the page. It will open a new screen which shows what each metadata provider has for that CD and what it has chosen. Play around with that page to understand how it works. At the top are entries for the artist for the first track, the album title, the album artist (with a place to click to apply it to all the tracks), the genre, the year, disk (X) of (Y), the composer of the first track. Below that are two check boxes, one for setting the compilation flag and one to change the track display below to also show the artist and composer for each track. The left hand column has what dBpoweramp currently has chosen as the data. You can type over it to change/correct any of the entries, and if you think it has chosen information from the wrong metadata provider for any entry and you see the entry you want under a provider in red, click on it, you'll see that one now entered for that entry. When done with this page, click on the close (or is it OK?) button at the bottom of the page and you'll see that data updated on the screen. A couple of provisos. This page only inserts one (set of) genre(s) to all the tracks, and the same year. But back on the main entry page, you can give each track its own genre(s) and year.

    On the main page (the one you showed in the photo above) if you click on one (or more, control click on a PC) tracks, the data at the top will display and allow you to change just the selected track(s) Very useful for the album with half the tracks by one artist and the other half by another No need to type the artist one by one for each track, select all the tracks that have one of the artists, type the name in the artist box at the top. Then select the other tracks and type that artist name in. You can also enter individual genres, years, etc on any track after selecting it by clicking on it.

    When you see <Various Artists> in the top artist box or <Various Genres> in the top genre box, that means that not all the selected tracks have the same data, which is what you want for those compilation albums. Select any track and you'll see that at the top. To select all the tracks again, click on the empty space under the last track.

    Note, this selection doesn't control what tracks get ripped, that is set by the checkboxes on the far left of the screen.

    One thing to understand about these tags. They are stored in the same file the audio is for each separate track, once per track, not per album. There is no way of storing tags for an album except by including it with the track tags. This means that for instance if you enter a different album name on one track (either on purpose or by mistake), it will be different in the stored track file which in that case may well mess up what folder the track gets stored in, depending on your naming string, On your player, if you sort for a particular album with that mistake, the track will be missing, but if you for instance sort by the artist you'll see that album name as entered. The dBpoweramp ripper makes it hard to make that mistake by only providing one place to enter the album name at the top, which it uses in the tag for each track, but it is easy to mess this up if you correct tags using the tag editor or mp3tag.

    I hope this helps, not confuses you. It may help if you play with a "fake" rip. Put in any CD you haven't already ripped. Play around with selecting tracks and entering your own tag metadata, both in the main page you photoed and in the page that comes up by clicking on the shipping tag. Once you understand what ends up getting entered, just close it before actually ripping it, or if you want to rip it and look at the tags as they were entered in mp3tag, then delete the files when you are done.

    One of the best ways to learn how software woks is to pound on it, try something and see what happens. Many of the fields on the dBpa pages hav question marks which if you click on them will take you to a help page or brief description of the entry.

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    • garym
      dBpoweramp Guru

      • Nov 2007
      • 6017

      #77
      Originally posted by sculen
      You are correct, not yet for what I am currently now ripping. Basing it all on past experience with the Escient unit, as well as how this previously ripped music shows up on my phone, and current streamers - WiiM Pro Plus, Bluesound Node Nano, and Cambriodge Audio MXN10. This is all stuff I ripped almost 20 years ago which I no longer want. That's why I'm starting over.
      Right now I'm ripping loseless to an external hard drive because the NAS I want isn't available yet. Once that arrives, I'll move what I've ripped from the external drive to the NAS and pick up the ripping directly on the NAS. Then the streamers (WiiM, Bluesound, Cambridge) that are in my various hifi systems will retrieve from the NAS.
      As much as I hate to do it (because I have the time now), I may stop ripping anything at this point until I'm ready to test playback of my new rips on the NAS to these streamers. Too many rookie mistakes.
      Couple of other questions. I'm ripping in AIFF. You mentioned that it's easy to convert to FLAC. But if FLAC has more extensive info than AIFF (if that is true) then when converting from AIFF to FLAC will it pick all that up? Seems like it would not if the original rip from the CD was in AIFF.
      Also, your compilation comments concern me. What's the significance of having the compilation box checked vs unchecked. Being particular about things, I am always concerned about tools/software systems doing things I don't want them to do. On the other hand, I don't want any regrets. This is my last opportunity to get all this done right.
      WiiM Pro Plus, Bluesound Node Nano, and Cambriodge Audio MXN10 are all good modern streamers. So you should be fine with these. But these are your endpoints/streamers/players. What are you using as a music server. For example, I use LMS (now called Lyrion Music Server). I also have Roon Labs as a music server. This is the "library" function that then sends the digital music to your players (e.g., the WiiM). Is there some sort of program you run on your NAS?

      Regarding ripping in AIFF and later converting to FLAC. Once you convert to FLAC, afterwards you'll have an embedded CRC (created at the time of conversion) that can be used to check file integrity in a batch manner, as I previously described. But, you won't have the CRC created at the time of the original rip of the CD. So if something went bad with a set of files *between* the time you ripped and then later converted to FLAC, you'd have no way to determine this in any batch manner. That is, if a corruption affects an AIFF file before you convert to FLAC, the FLAC converted file will contain the same error that was in the AIFF file.

      Regarding COMPILATION tag, it is not required (so long as you use "Various Artists" in the ALBUMARTIST tag field for all these albums. This said, it seems that virtually everyone uses the COMPILATION tag for various artist CDs. It is a standard tag recognized by all modern music streamers. You can always edit these files later and add a compilation tag if you change your mind. But I'm not sure what bad thing you think this will do. Again, it is a standard tag, all modern servers/players recognize the tag, and the 100s of people I know with serious digital music collections all use the COMPILATION tag. Not using it would make you an outlier. But then again, using AIFF also makes you an outlier. FLAC is the standard for most folks who want a quality lossless digital library.

      And yes, I strongly suggest you do only some test ripping until you can actually play with things on your actual music server (whatever that is, not clear) and your endpoints. You will learn so much from the trial and error of seeing how things show up, whether you want to change things to show up differently, etc. I speak from experience, having had to re-rip 5,000 CDs because I was a novice and did things wrong!
      Last edited by garym; Today, 10:38 AM.

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      • sculen

        • Jun 2025
        • 30

        #78
        Thanks guys.
        Understand that the streamers are the end points. But not sure what is meant by the server. My understanding, but could be (probably are) totally wrong, is that these end-point streamers simply read? or retrieve? the music files stored on the NAS (once I get it and set it up)? So is the NAS the server?
        Regarding checking or not checking the Compilation box, still do not understand what this does. So my default is if you don't understand what it does, don't use it as it's likely to have an effect that I don't want. But I have no way of knowing. I'm sure it does something, otherwise why is it there. But for me, if the album is already a Greatest Hits or Best Of.. or a Various Artist album with different artists on each track, why do I need to check it as a Compilation? What harm or "come back to haunt" wil is cause? However, you have a lot more experience than me. So I then get concerned that by not checking it, it will be negative ... but I still don't know why? Maybe it does absolutely nothing. I just don't know.
        Thanks for explaining the conversion to FLAC from AIFF. I'm going to start over and go with FLAC. Thanks for getting me to realize that's what I should have done to start with! Even though my extensive research told me otherwise .... that AIFF is pure uncompressed with the best retrieval of metadata while FLAC is compressed and doesn't work on Apple products, etc. Your example if the zip files was great!

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        • garym
          dBpoweramp Guru

          • Nov 2007
          • 6017

          #79
          Originally posted by sculen
          Thanks guys.
          Understand that the streamers are the end points. But not sure what is meant by the server. My understanding, but could be (probably are) totally wrong, is that these end-point streamers simply read? or retrieve? the music files stored on the NAS (once I get it and set it up)? So is the NAS the server?
          Regarding checking or not checking the Compilation box, still do not understand what this does. So my default is if you don't understand what it does, don't use it as it's likely to have an effect that I don't want. But I have no way of knowing. I'm sure it does something, otherwise why is it there. But for me, if the album is already a Greatest Hits or Best Of.. or a Various Artist album with different artists on each track, why do I need to check it as a Compilation? What harm or "come back to haunt" wil is cause? However, you have a lot more experience than me. So I then get concerned that by not checking it, it will be negative ... but I still don't know why? Maybe it does absolutely nothing. I just don't know.
          Thanks for explaining the conversion to FLAC from AIFF. I'm going to start over and go with FLAC. Thanks for getting me to realize that's what I should have done to start with! Even though my extensive research told me otherwise .... that AIFF is pure uncompressed with the best retrieval of metadata while FLAC is compressed and doesn't work on Apple products, etc. Your example if the zip files was great!
          A NAS is not automatically a music server. It just holds files on your network. But some NAS units can also run programs. So the NAS must be running some sort of program that acts as a music server to feed music to your end points. The only exception I'm aware of is SONOS, which I think can simply access music files from a NAS, but I could be wrong. You really need to figure this out. There are hundreds of choices for music server programs.

          COMPILATION tag with a value of "1" is primarily to keep an album with 12 tracks, 12 different artists from being split into 12 different "albums" in your music library. As I mentioned, if you are careful and make sure you put "Various Artists" into the ALBUMARTIST tag field, then you will not likely suffer this problem. I don't know exactly how electricity is generated and transmitted to my house. But my lack of understanding of that doesn't keep me from using electricity at my home! (and note, a 'best of" or "greatest hits" album by a single artist is NOT what I would call a compilation. A compilation (for purposes of the tag use) is a CD that has a collection of different ARTISTS (Songs of 1968, movie soundtrack, etc.).

          FLAC is uncompressed too. Don't believe the audiophool nonsense that somehow thinks a FLAC or ALAC file is not as "good" as a AIFF or WAV file. Pure BS. All these files are decoded to PCM to be able to play at your endpoints. The only important task is that the bits get delivered to your DAC without error or dropout. And such an error or dropout would not be subtle sound quality change. it would be dropouts, loud static, glitching, etc.
          Last edited by garym; Today, 01:49 PM.

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          • sculen

            • Jun 2025
            • 30

            #80
            Fantastic. Got it on the compilation tag. I'll make sure the NAS can actually be a server as well. Once it get the NAS (supposedly shipping end of June) and have it all set up, then I can better understand how it all comes together (or not) and go from there. FLAC it is! Thanks again.

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            • simbun
              dBpoweramp Enthusiast

              • Apr 2021
              • 146

              #81
              Originally posted by sculen
              As much as I hate to do it (because I have the time now), I may stop ripping anything at this point until I'm ready to test playback of my new rips on the NAS to these streamers. Too many rookie mistakes.
              The vast majority of music server software is cross platform so there's really no need to wait for the NAS. Having said that, the only software I know that has some support for Bluesound (not via AirPlay) is Music Assistant (though I have very limited experience of it) which only runs in docker; not a simple install on macOS.

              What NAS are you waiting for? A NAS that is capable of running docker opens up a lot of possibilities, though is generally more expensive.

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              • garym
                dBpoweramp Guru

                • Nov 2007
                • 6017

                #82
                Bluesound streamers will work with Roon Labs music server.

                p.s. my point about testing things out on his server/player before getting too far was not really about compatibility of files (you are correct about that of course). It was more about personal decisions about how things showed up on his now playing screen, how he wanted to browse his library, etc. Not to confuse him any more, but for example, does he decide that he really wants ARTISTSORT tags so that "Bruce Springsteen" displays on his player as "Bruce Springsteen" but when he is browsing his library it shows under "S" as "Springsteen, Bruce". How the artwork looks (size wize), etc. That sort of thing which is best learned by trial and error early on.
                Last edited by garym; Today, 07:19 PM.

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                • simbun
                  dBpoweramp Enthusiast

                  • Apr 2021
                  • 146

                  #83
                  Originally posted by garym
                  Bluesound streamers will work with Roon Labs music server.
                  Ok so that's an option, and with the limited options available on iOS it's not a bad one.

                  Originally posted by garym
                  p.s. my point about testing things out on his server/player before getting too far was not really about compatibility of files (you are correct about that of course).
                  I wasn't talking about file compatibiity, I was just saying that given they have time on their hands, now might be a good time to start checking out music servers, which you don't necessarily need the NAS for.

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                  • garym
                    dBpoweramp Guru

                    • Nov 2007
                    • 6017

                    #84
                    Originally posted by simbun
                    I wasn't talking about file compatibiity, I was just saying that given they have time on their hands, now might be a good time to start checking out music servers, which you don't necessarily need the NAS for.
                    aha. Good point.

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