RE: Ripping Level Question (help?)

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

To summarize:

1. Get bit perfect rips in a lossless format.
2. Organize the files in some way that makes sense to the user. (no one solution)
3. Tag in a way that makes sense to user and that works with server/players. (no one solution)
4. Repeat/modify step 3 to improve or change to new personal preferences until they take away our computers in the old folks home.

Cheers Gary, I tested the SD card on the Amazon running 'VLC' and everything appears to be organised very nicely. However, Foobar is far more of a wizard when it comes to the range of criteria it is able to search for. Paul

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

To summarize:

1. Get bit perfect rips in a lossless format.
2. Organize the files in some way that makes sense to the user. (no one solution)
3. Tag in a way that makes sense to user and that works with server/players. (no one solution)
4. Repeat/modify step 3 to improve or change to new personal preferences until they take away our computers in the old folks home.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

I'm not referring to your preference, which is of course, your choice. Rather the suggestion that foobar2000 cannot handle certain data. I use foobar2000 and it handles 1, 2, 3 artists and album artists etc. in the same way.

So, I am unclear as to what you mean by I prefer the way Foobar handles this data and I only have about 10 CDs where there is a shared ALBUM ARTIST

Mville, My wrong - I misinterpreted your question. Yes, preference-wise, I do prefer not to use combo/duo ARTIST/ALBUM_ARTIST tags with a ',' or 'and'. And, since experimenting - in Foobar - with and without the ',' or 'and' combo/duo entry, the results were more pleasing. I much prefer Foobar without a combo/duo ALBUM_ARTIST and ARTIST entry. And so (to your question) Foobar did not quite produce the results I was expecting. This is what I was experimenting with yesterday (editing in EDIT-ID and seeing how the results were reflected in Foobar). I am not sure if I told you but I mainly use ARTIST (for searching) rather than ALBUM_ARTIST. I meant to reply sooner but I was trying to locate the exact thread where I uploaded some screenshots and mentioned this (I delete my screenshots off my PC when I am done with them). Anyway, the points are outlined in post *656 of:

https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthr...(help-)/page44

should you care to glance. Thanks a lot.

[mville]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Let's take a very famous album as an example: 'Friday night in San Fancisco'.

On the front cover the order of the artists is 'Al Di Meola, John McLaughlin, Paco De Lucia'. On the back cover it is 'John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola, Paco De Lucia'. Track 4, 'Fantasia Suite' and track 5, 'Guardian Angel' 'is played by 'Paco De Lucia, John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola'.

I think that the order of multiple artists is sometimes very random, or depends on the cover designer or or or... Nothing we should keep in mind to find our beloved tracks or albums. So separating each artist by '; ' and the use of database based players is the only way to go.

I get your point entirely. Fortunately, I don't have many live albums with several guest artists/musicians but with classical music, artist can become a nightmare.

In these difficult/confused/random cases, single artist, conductor, orchestra, chorus, soloists etc. is also what I resort to.

Sadly, it is not a perfect (tagging) world.

[Dat Ei]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

You've understood my irony.

I tend to keep artist to the published track artist and the individual artists.

e.g. Queen and David Bowie - Under Pressure

So, Artist = Queen and David Bowie; Queen; David Bowie

It might not always be as simple as in this case. Let's take a very famous album as an example: 'Friday night in San Fancisco'.

On the front cover the order of the artists is 'Al Di Meola, John McLaughlin, Paco De Lucia'. On the back cover it is 'John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola, Paco De Lucia'. Track 4, 'Fantasia Suite' and track 5, 'Guardian Angel' 'is played by 'Paco De Lucia, John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola'.

I think that the order of multiple artists is sometimes very random, or depends on the cover designer or or or... Nothing we should keep in mind to find our beloved tracks or albums. So separating each artist by '; ' and the use of database based players is the only way to go.


Dat Ei

[mville]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Cheers mville, I experimented yesterday (with many permutations) and having 2 ARTISTS if fine for my needs. And I find I prefer the way Foobar handles this data. I use the ARTIST 'search' left hand panel more than anything. Plus, I only have about 10 CDs where there is a shared ALBUM ARTIST (and ownership of far less CDs than most people on here - circa 500 I think). Paul

I'm not referring to your preference, which is of course, your choice. Rather the suggestion that foobar2000 cannot handle certain data. I use foobar2000 and it handles 1, 2, 3 artists and album artists etc. in the same way.

So, I am unclear as to what you mean by I prefer the way Foobar handles this data and I only have about 10 CDs where there is a shared ALBUM ARTIST

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Why not 4 artists? I'm missing 'Bela Fleck and Chick Corea'.

Hi Dat Ei, I did have: 'Bela Fleck & Chick Corea' originally (since August). But I decided, after much ripping, that I did not like this form. Hence I changed it to: 'Bela Fleck, Chick Corea'. And then yesterday, I decided to do away with the duo/combo entry altogether. Cheers, Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

I'm not sure I agree. Why does the OP have to be restricted to 2 artists? as in:
Artist = Chick Corea; Bela Fleck

What is wrong with 3 artists? as in:
Artist = Chick Corea and Bela Fleck; Chick Corea; Bela Fleck

Cheers mville, I experimented yesterday (with many permutations) and having 2 ARTISTS if fine for my needs. And I find I prefer the way Foobar handles this data. I use the ARTIST 'search' left hand panel more than anything. Plus, I only have about 10 CDs where there is a shared ALBUM ARTIST (and ownership of far less CDs than most people on here - circa 500 I think). Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

This method makes more sense to me.

Fingers crossed, that it gives consistent results in VLC.

Thanks Oggy, I appreciate you considering my alternatives. Yes, I need to test in VLC also. Paul

[mville]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Why not 4 artists? I'm missing 'Bela Fleck and Chick Corea'.

That will be a fun with 3 or more involved artitst. Quiet a lot of permutations...

I tend to keep artist to the published track artist and the individual artists.

e.g. Queen and David Bowie - Under Pressure

So, Artist = Queen and David Bowie; Queen; David Bowie

[Dat Ei]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Why not 4 artists? I'm missing 'Bela Fleck and Chick Corea'.

That will be a fun with 3 or more involved artitst. Quiet a lot of permutations...


Dat Ei

[mville]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

I'm not sure I agree. Why does the OP have to be restricted to 2 artists? as in:
Artist = Chick Corea; Bela Fleck

What is wrong with 3 artists? as in:
Artist = Chick Corea and Bela Fleck; Chick Corea; Bela Fleck

[Oggy]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi,

I experimented again this afternoon and came up with this:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1742[/ATTACH]

As you can see, there are now only 2 ARTISTS (and same for ALBUM_ARTISTS). I have done away with both instances of: 'Chick Corea, Bela Fleck' (combo).

In Foobar, the album ("The Enchantment") now appears under Chick Corea and under Bela Fleck (ie. so it appears twice [once under each ALBUM_ARTIST], as you would expect).

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1740[/ATTACH]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1741[/ATTACH]

In the left-hand ARTIST panel there is, listed, 'Chick Corea, Bela Fleck', and this is reiterated in the lower centre column.

To me, this method seems fine and I am happy with the way everything is displayed within Foobar. But I am not sure if it would meet the approval of other members on this forum? And so I wanted to ask, please: even if this working method is not something you would personally use (and it probably isn't!), then have I at least configured the tags correctly? I feel I understand the ',' and ';' meanings more than I did earlier in the week.

Many thanks in advance.

Paul

This method makes more sense to me.

Fingers crossed, that it gives consistent results in VLC.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

It appears this works better. I'd go with this.

Nice one, cheers Gary. It took me quite a few goes but I think I have got it. I have not tested it out on my Amazon Fire yet though (in 'VLC'). Paul

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi,

I experimented again this afternoon and came up with this:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1742[/ATTACH]

As you can see, there are now only 2 ARTISTS (and same for ALBUM_ARTISTS). I have done away with both instances of: 'Chick Corea, Bela Fleck' (combo).

In Foobar, the album ("The Enchantment") now appears under Chick Corea and under Bela Fleck (ie. so it appears twice [once under each ALBUM_ARTIST], as you would expect).

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1740[/ATTACH]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1741[/ATTACH]

In the left-hand ARTIST panel there is, listed, 'Chick Corea, Bela Fleck', and this is reiterated in the lower centre column.

To me, this method seems fine and I am happy with the way everything is displayed within Foobar. But I am not sure if it would meet the approval of other members on this forum? And so I wanted to ask, please: even if this working method is not something you would personally use (and it probably isn't!), then have I at least configured the tags correctly? I feel I understand the ',' and ';' meanings more than I did earlier in the week.

Many thanks in advance.

Paul

It appears this works better. I'd go with this.