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  • RazorBoy143

    • Jan 2010
    • 4
    #1

    dBpoweramp says Track 2 isn't accurate, but EAC does (HUH???)

    After ripping a CD in dbBpoweramp 13.3, I ended up getting an "Accurate (confidence 3) on all tracks, except track 2. The results are below:


    Code:
    dBpoweramp Release 13.3 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:28 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'D:   [MATSHITA - DVD/CDRW UJDA770]',  Drive offset: 102,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: No,  Cache: 1024 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8 -verify

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 14874 (3:18) in 2:16. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\01 - Running on Ice.flac
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3)     [Pass 1 & 2, Re-Rip 9 Frames]
  CRC32: 6B909BE9     AccurateRip CRC: 1A8A7ABE     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-1]
    Re-rip Frame: 14662 (00:03:15.493) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 14663 (00:03:15.506) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 14664 (00:03:15.520) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 14688 (00:03:15.840) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 14689 (00:03:15.853) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 14690 (00:03:15.866) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 14714 (00:03:16.186) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 14715 (00:03:16.200) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 14716 (00:03:16.213) matched 10 / 12

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 14874 to 37519 (5:01) in 5:26. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\02 - This Is the Time.flac
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 3)   Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1 & 2, Re-Rip 28 Frames]
  CRC32: F18EA99A     AccurateRip CRC: 93EA15F7     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-2]
    Re-rip Frame: 37285 (00:04:58.813) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37286 (00:04:58.826) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37310 (00:04:59.146) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37311 (00:04:59.160) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37312 (00:04:59.173) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37336 (00:04:59.493) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37337 (00:04:59.506) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37338 (00:04:59.520) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37362 (00:04:59.840) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 37363 (00:04:59.853) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37364 (00:04:59.866) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 37388 (00:05:00.186) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 37389 (00:05:00.200) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37390 (00:05:00.213) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37414 (00:05:00.533) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 37415 (00:05:00.546) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37416 (00:05:00.560) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37440 (00:05:00.880) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37441 (00:05:00.893) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37442 (00:05:00.906) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37466 (00:05:01.226) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 37467 (00:05:01.240) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37468 (00:05:01.253) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37492 (00:05:01.573) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37493 (00:05:01.586) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37494 (00:05:01.600) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37518 (00:05:01.920) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 37519 (00:05:01.933) matched 10 / 12

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 37519 to 56367 (4:11) in 1:19. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\03 - A Matter of Trust.flac
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3)     [Pass 1 & 2, Re-Rip 4 Frames]
  CRC32: CC36DDCE     AccurateRip CRC: 7A80393A     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-3]
    Re-rip Frame: 37544 (00:00:00.333) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 56082 (00:04:07.506) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 56134 (00:04:08.200) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 56135 (00:04:08.213) matched 10 / 11

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 56367 to 73732 (3:51) in 2:03. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\04 - Modern Woman.flac
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3)     [Pass 1 & 2, Re-Rip 10 Frames]
  CRC32: E2E3B9C7     AccurateRip CRC: 242693C0     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-4]
    Re-rip Frame: 56418 (00:00:00.680) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 73500 (00:03:48.440) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 73501 (00:03:48.453) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 73526 (00:03:48.786) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 73527 (00:03:48.800) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 73551 (00:03:49.120) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 73552 (00:03:49.133) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 73553 (00:03:49.146) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 73578 (00:03:49.480) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 73579 (00:03:49.493) matched 10 / 12

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 73732 to 92164 (4:05) in 0:19. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\05 - Baby Grand.flac
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 56D7222E     AccurateRip CRC: 6FD8DAB1     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-5]

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 92164 to 116908 (5:29) in 0:23. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\06 - Big Man on Mulberry Street.flac
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 06FEFBD1     AccurateRip CRC: 18FDB356     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-6]

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 116908 to 136080 (4:15) in 0:17. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\07 - Temptation.flac
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 2D64219A     AccurateRip CRC: C4FDD028     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-7]

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 136080 to 159805 (5:16) in 0:19. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\08 - Code of Silence.flac
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 42B614F8     AccurateRip CRC: BE8FFCD3     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-8]

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 159805 to 182364 (5:00) in 0:18. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\09 - Getting Closer.flac
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 628446C3     AccurateRip CRC: 9F55AEC8     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-9]

--------------

9 Tracks Ripped: 8 Accurate, 1 Secure (Warning)

    But when I re-ripped the same album in EAC 0.99b5, I got an "Accurate (confidence 3)" on every track:


    Code:
    Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 5 from 4. May 2009

EAC extraction logfile from 14. January 2010, 22:11

Billy Joel / The Bridge

Used drive  : MATSHITADVD/CDRW UJDA770   Adapter: 2  ID: 0

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : Yes
Make use of C2 pointers : No

Read offset correction                      : 102
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling                                : Not detected, thus appended to previous track

Used output format              : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate                : 128 kBit/s
Quality                         : High
Add ID3 tag                     : No
Command line compressor         : C:\Program Files\FLAC\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 |  3:18.24 |         0    |    14873   
        2  |  3:18.24 |  5:01.70 |     14874    |    37518   
        3  |  8:20.19 |  4:11.23 |     37519    |    56366   
        4  | 12:31.42 |  3:51.40 |     56367    |    73731   
        5  | 16:23.07 |  4:05.57 |     73732    |    92163   
        6  | 20:28.64 |  5:29.69 |     92164    |   116907   
        7  | 25:58.58 |  4:15.47 |    116908    |   136079   
        8  | 30:14.30 |  5:16.25 |    136080    |   159804   
        9  | 35:30.55 |  5:00.59 |    159805    |   182363   
       10  | 43:03.39 | 13:08.30 |    193764    |   252893   


Track  1

     Filename C:\Documents and Settings\RKA\My Documents\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\01 - Running on Ice.wav

     Peak level 96.5 %
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Copy CRC 6B909BE9
     Accurately ripped (confidence 3)  [1A8A7ABE]
     Copy OK

Track  2

     Filename C:\Documents and Settings\RKA\My Documents\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\02 - This Is the Time.wav

     Peak level 99.8 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC F8C38ED3
     Accurately ripped (confidence 3)  [07601FA4]
     Copy OK

Track  3

     Filename C:\Documents and Settings\RKA\My Documents\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\03 - A Matter of Trust.wav

     Peak level 94.3 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC CC36DDCE
     Accurately ripped (confidence 3)  [7A80393A]
     Copy OK

Track  4

     Filename C:\Documents and Settings\RKA\My Documents\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\04 - Modern Woman.wav

     Peak level 94.3 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC E2E3B9C7
     Accurately ripped (confidence 3)  [242693C0]
     Copy OK

Track  5

     Filename C:\Documents and Settings\RKA\My Documents\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\05 - Baby Grand.wav

     Peak level 99.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 56D7222E
     Accurately ripped (confidence 3)  [6FD8DAB1]
     Copy OK

Track  6

     Filename C:\Documents and Settings\RKA\My Documents\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\06 - Big Man on Mulberry Street.wav

     Peak level 99.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 06FEFBD1
     Accurately ripped (confidence 3)  [18FDB356]
     Copy OK

Track  7

     Filename C:\Documents and Settings\RKA\My Documents\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\07 - Temptation.wav

     Peak level 94.3 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 2D64219A
     Accurately ripped (confidence 3)  [C4FDD028]
     Copy OK

Track  8

     Filename C:\Documents and Settings\RKA\My Documents\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\08 - Code of Silence.wav

     Peak level 99.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 42B614F8
     Accurately ripped (confidence 3)  [BE8FFCD3]
     Copy OK

Track  9

     Filename C:\Documents and Settings\RKA\My Documents\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\09 - Getting Closer.wav

     Peak level 97.6 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 628446C3
     Accurately ripped (confidence 3)  [9F55AEC8]
     Copy OK


All tracks accurately ripped

No errors occurred

End of status report

    So I made some modifications to the settings in dBpoweramp 13.3, choosing to use Ultra Secure Mode, and experimented with the Maximum Re-Reads setting. First, I took it from the default to 50, and that didn't work. Finally, I jacked it up to 100, and I ended up, finally, getting an "Accurate (confidence 3) result

    NOTE: The test and read CRC's didn't match up


    Code:
    dBpoweramp Release 13.3 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:55 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'D:   [MATSHITA - DVD/CDRW UJDA770]',  Drive offset: 102,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: No,  Cache: 1024 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 2,  Max Passes: 4,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 100

Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8 -verify

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 14874 to 37519 (5:01) in 9:31. Filename: F:\Music Files\FLAC\Billy Joel\1986 - The Bridge\02 - This Is the Time.flac
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3)     [Pass 1 & 2, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 52 Frames]
  CRC32: F8C38ED3     AccurateRip CRC: 07601FA4     [DiscID: 009-000e5937-006d4ecf-6e0d2b0a-2]
    Re-rip Frame: 36791 (00:04:52.226) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 36816 (00:04:52.560) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 36817 (00:04:52.573) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 36842 (00:04:52.906) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 36843 (00:04:52.920) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 36998 (00:04:54.986) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 36999 (00:04:55.000) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37050 (00:04:55.680) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37051 (00:04:55.693) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37076 (00:04:56.026) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37077 (00:04:56.040) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37102 (00:04:56.373) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37103 (00:04:56.386) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37128 (00:04:56.720) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37129 (00:04:56.733) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37154 (00:04:57.066) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37155 (00:04:57.080) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37180 (00:04:57.413) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37181 (00:04:57.426) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37206 (00:04:57.760) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37207 (00:04:57.773) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37232 (00:04:58.106) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37233 (00:04:58.120) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37258 (00:04:58.453) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37259 (00:04:58.466) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37284 (00:04:58.800) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37285 (00:04:58.813) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 37310 (00:04:59.146) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 37311 (00:04:59.160) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37312 (00:04:59.173) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 37336 (00:04:59.493) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37337 (00:04:59.506) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37338 (00:04:59.520) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 37362 (00:04:59.840) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37363 (00:04:59.853) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37364 (00:04:59.866) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 37388 (00:05:00.186) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37389 (00:05:00.200) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37390 (00:05:00.213) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 37414 (00:05:00.533) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37415 (00:05:00.546) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37416 (00:05:00.560) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 37440 (00:05:00.880) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 37441 (00:05:00.893) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37442 (00:05:00.906) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 37466 (00:05:01.226) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 37467 (00:05:01.240) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37468 (00:05:01.253) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 37492 (00:05:01.573) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37493 (00:05:01.586) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 37494 (00:05:01.600) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 37518 (00:05:01.920) matched 10 / 11

--------------

1 Tracks Ripped Accurately
    At this point, I'm wondering what the Maximum Re-Reads setting should really be. Especially since the literature on dBpoweramp's website says the the maximum setting should be, at most, set at 50 for optical drives that have no C2. Doesn't anything above 50 increase the chance of errors getting through?

    BTW: The CD in question is pristine, and has never had any problems in EAC at all.
    Tags: None
    • EliC
      dBpoweramp Guru

      • May 2004
      • 1175
      #2
      Re: dBpoweramp says Track 2 isn't accurate, but EAC does (HUH???)

      Try re-ripping a couple of times with EAC and see if it continues to get the same result. Clearly you have a good test disc/track, as it is recoverable, but not easily so.

      Its hard to know from your EAC log how long it took to rip that track.

        Comment

        • Spoon
          Administrator
          • Apr 2002
          • 44506
          #3
          Re: dBpoweramp says Track 2 isn't accurate, but EAC does (HUH???)

          Does your drive support c2 pointers? on track 2 there was a consistent error which fooled the ripper.
          Spoon
          www.dbpoweramp.com

            Comment

            • RazorBoy143

              • Jan 2010
              • 4
              #4
              Re: dBpoweramp says Track 2 isn't accurate, but EAC does (HUH???)

              Originally posted by EliC
              Try re-ripping a couple of times with EAC and see if it continues to get the same result. Clearly you have a good test disc/track, as it is recoverable, but not easily so.

              Its hard to know from your EAC log how long it took to rip that track.
              Ripped the track 3 times, and got positive results every single time.

              Total rip time for track: About 2:30


              Originally posted by Spoon
              Does your drive support c2 pointers? on track 2 there was a consistent error which fooled the ripper.
              No, my drive doesn't support c2.

                Comment

                • RazorBoy143

                  • Jan 2010
                  • 4
                  #5
                  Re: dBpoweramp says Track 2 isn't accurate, but EAC does (HUH???)

                  BTW: In EAC, I can see that there clearly error correction going on at the end of the track, and dBpoweramp, for some reason, isn't correctly seeing it & correcting it. Weird.

                    Comment

                    • RazorBoy143

                      • Jan 2010
                      • 4
                      #6
                      Re: dBpoweramp says Track 2 isn't accurate, but EAC does (HUH???)

                      Noticing that the same problem is popping up on other CD's as well. I'm starting to wonder if this program will only give the correct results if I get an optical drive with C2 capability...which I wouldn't like. Especially since EAC seems to correctly reads the tracks every single time. Would love to have somebody help with trying to deal with this problem. But I guess I've been abandoned :-(

                        Comment

                        • Spoon
                          Administrator
                          • Apr 2002
                          • 44506
                          #7
                          Re: dBpoweramp says Track 2 isn't accurate, but EAC does (HUH???)

                          >k, and dBpoweramp, for some reason, isn't correctly seeing it & correcting it

                          It does (it was re-ripping 52 frames), it is just the drive is giving out a consistent error some where and without c2 pointers, or many ultra passes these are difficult to detect. AccurateRip can be used in this instance.
                          Spoon
                          www.dbpoweramp.com

                            Comment

                            • Porcus
                              dBpoweramp Guru

                              • Feb 2007
                              • 792
                              #8
                              Re: dBpoweramp says Track 2 isn't accurate, but EAC does (HUH???)

                              Originally posted by RazorBoy143
                              At this point, I'm wondering what the Maximum Re-Reads setting should really be. Especially since the literature on dBpoweramp's website says the the maximum setting should be, at most, set at 50 for optical drives that have no C2. Doesn't anything above 50 increase the chance of errors getting through?

                              BTW: The CD in question is pristine, and has never had any problems in EAC at all.
                              At least in principle you are right: > 50 increases the chances of getting 10 identical, right or wrong. I think EAC insists on getting half correct?

                              It is not uncommon to have some issues even wth CDs in pristine condition. Manufactoring glitches ...

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