high re-rip frame count on a few tracks in the first pass, no problem second pass

[Kiwi]

I am using R13.2 though I experienced the same situation with R13.1

Occassionally, once every 10-15 CDs, I have a CD where a few tracks do not rip accurately/securely because of a high number of frames that need to be re-ripped. The number of frames to be re-ripped is in excess of 10,000 per track and I have learned that I can immediately, without ejecting the CD, re-rip the affected tracks without a problem. This occurs regardless of whether the CD is in AccurateRip or not.

Here is the log from a rip illustrating the situation;

dBpoweramp Release 13.2 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:33 AM

Drive & Settings
Ripping with drive 'D: [OPTIARC - DVD RW AD-5630A ]', Drive offset: 48, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: 6 KB, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: Yes, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 2, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 60

Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-5 -verify
DSP Effects / Actions: -dspeffect1="ReplayGain=-albummode={qt}0{qt}" -dspeffect2="HDCD="

Extraction Log
Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 21810 (4:50) in 1:16. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\01 - FM.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 127AE121 AccurateRip CRC: 736FB78F [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-1]

Track 2: Ripped LBA 21810 to 38252 (3:39) in 1:07. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\02 - Black Friday.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 8CD9B6DE AccurateRip CRC: 5EC9010A [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-2]

Track 3: Ripped LBA 38252 to 64700 (5:52) in 1:39. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\03 - Babylon Sisters.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 0D300CB2 AccurateRip CRC: A8B15744 [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-3]

Track 4: Ripped LBA 64700 to 98897 (7:35) in 2:32. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\04 - Deacon Blues.flac
Insecure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 34197 Frames]
CRC32: 00000000 AccurateRip CRC: 00000000 [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-4]
** Aborted: Have to ReRip 34197 Frames, Re-Rip Limit Set to 200 Frames

Track 5: Ripped LBA 98897 to 122870 (5:19) in 0:58. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\05 - Bodhisattva.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 0EA7136E AccurateRip CRC: AA99A3E9 [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-5]

Track 6: Ripped LBA 122870 to 146112 (5:09) in 1:07. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\06 - Hey Nineteen.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: D6048748 AccurateRip CRC: 9097BB1B [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-6]

Track 7: Ripped LBA 146112 to 172930 (5:57) in 1:14. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\07 - Do It Again.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 6B877F18 AccurateRip CRC: BA23EF9B [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-7]

Track 8: Ripped LBA 172930 to 190780 (3:58) in 1:04. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\08 - Peg.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: F802C546 AccurateRip CRC: D19C9A70 [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-8]

Track 9: Ripped LBA 190780 to 211247 (4:32) in 0:42. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\09 - Rikki Don't Lose That Number.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: B3116700 AccurateRip CRC: 05B4EF8D [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-9]

Track 10: Ripped LBA 211247 to 232052 (4:37) in 0:51. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\10 - Reeling in the Years.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 8F4EF86F AccurateRip CRC: A8CF809D [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-10]

Track 11: Ripped LBA 232052 to 244670 (2:48) in 0:30. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\11 - East St. Louis Toodle-Oo.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 15) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A036106F AccurateRip CRC: 70CB13CD [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-11]

Track 12: Ripped LBA 244670 to 265695 (4:40) in 0:49. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\12 - Kid Charlemagne.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 14) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 1F4F1428 AccurateRip CRC: 590DCCCC [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-12]

Track 13: Ripped LBA 265695 to 291832 (5:48) in 0:58. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\13 - My Old School.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 14) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: EBE714DD AccurateRip CRC: 142B526E [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-13]

Track 14: Ripped LBA 291832 to 306895 (3:20) in 0:29. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\14 - Bad Sneakers.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 12) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 692FF4BC AccurateRip CRC: 72014D4F [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-14]

14 Tracks Ripped: 13 Secure, 1 Inaccurate

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dBpoweramp Release 13.2 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:11 AM

Drive & Settings
Ripping with drive 'D: [OPTIARC - DVD RW AD-5630A ]', Drive offset: 48, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: 6 KB, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: Yes, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 2, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 60

Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-5 -verify
DSP Effects / Actions: -dspeffect1="ReplayGain=-albummode={qt}0{qt}" -dspeffect2="HDCD="

Extraction Log
Track 4: Ripped LBA 64700 to 98897 (7:35) in 1:30. Filename: C:\Users\Robert\Music\My Music\highest quality\Steely Dan\A Decade of Steely Dan\04 - Deacon Blues.flac
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 14) Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 85A2EC7F AccurateRip CRC: D5F59313 [DiscID: 014-0024c126-0185591c-c00ffb0e-4]

1 Tracks Ripped Securely (AccurateRip: Different Pressing?)

[Spoon]

Re: high re-rip frame count on a few tracks in the first pass, no problem second pass

** Aborted: Have to ReRip 34197 Frames

That is the entire track, so the AccurateStream feature of your drive failed on that track (ie the drive offset changed - when they should never).

[Kiwi]

Re: high re-rip frame count on a few tracks in the first pass, no problem second pass

Is there anything I could do to address this?

[bhoar]

Re: high re-rip frame count on a few tracks in the first pass, no problem second pass

Is there anything I could do to address this?

Use a different drive.

-brendan

[Kiwi]

Re: high re-rip frame count on a few tracks in the first pass, no problem second pass

Thanks. I have a USB drive attached that I will try.

[BruceH]

Re: high re-rip frame count on a few tracks in the first pass, no problem second pass

Hi Kiwi,

Did this problem resolve with the USB drive? If not, could you try to rip one of the tracks generating many errored frames with C2 turned off to see if that makes a difference?

I would be interested to know.

Thanks,
Bruce

[Kiwi]

Re: high re-rip frame count on a few tracks in the first pass, no problem second pass

Bruce,

I can't say that Brendan's advice was all that useful in that I could immediately re-rip the CD, without changing any settings in dBpoweramp or ejecting it, and get an accurate rip. I have found that having two drives can be useful as sometimes one works for a CD that wouldn't work on the other drive. There is no consistency with this though i.e. I can't say that drive x is always better than drive y.

I saw a few of your other posts so I know that you are anxious to determine the cause of your problems. Let me know if there is anything else I can do.

Kiwi

[BruceH]

Re: high re-rip frame count on a few tracks in the first pass, no problem second pass

Bruce,

I can't say that Brendan's advice was all that useful in that I could immediately re-rip the CD, without changing any settings in dBpoweramp or ejecting it, and get an accurate rip. I have found that having two drives can be useful as sometimes one works for a CD that wouldn't work on the other drive. There is no consistency with this though i.e. I can't say that drive x is always better than drive y.

I saw a few of your other posts so I know that you are anxious to determine the cause of your problems. Let me know if there is anything else I can do.

Kiwi

Thanks for your input, Kiwi. Your situation does seem different from mine, in that a clean track that errors out when ripping with dbpa ALWAYS fails with C2 enabled and ALWAYS passes Ultra Secure with C2 disabled, on my LiteON USB drive. The track always passes Ultra Secure with my laptop DVD drive, whether or not C2 is enabled. It appears that the C2 mechanism in dbpa fails with some drives. I am still looking into this.

Best,
Bruce

[jfkaess]

Re: high re-rip frame count on a few tracks in the first pass, no problem second pass

I was having a very similar problem and found that enabling a 4 second delay before ripping (in the settings) solved the problem.