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    Mp3 Patent Problems

    It had to happen some time, it has happened now - the patent holders for mp3 have contacted me demanding huge sums of money. To counter this:

    dBpowerAMP Music Converter R11 will be pulled out from beta early (next 8 weeks), it will be combined with Aux Input and File Selector (these should not add much to the install size, maybe 700KB), it will have the mp3 encoder functioning off the Power Pack (extended trial to 60 days), that is after 60 days if not registered (new price will be $9) the mp3 encoder will stop working. Almost all money collected will go to the patent holders.

    Sveta Portable Audio will move onto its own registration (away from the power pack), obviously previous Power Pack owners will get Sveta.

    Not too happy about this one, but having 'multi-billion dollar' companies on the war path...it is not too plesant.

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    so the bottom line is? there can be no mp3 encoder unless you pay the royalties? and you are saying you have recieved a bill and have started paying who is the almost all money recieved going to?
    Last edited by Razgo; 07-23-2004 at 08:12 AM.

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    Re: Mp3 Patent Problems

    I think it's pretty mean (my polite language for posting in this forum) for Fraunhofer to make royalties retrospective. In terms of the new fees payable to users of dBpoweramp, does the $9 charge apply only to new users of powerpack, or would you like contributions from all dBpoweramp users?
    Either way, as a highly satisfied user of your programs, and a registered user of powerpack, I would still be happy to make a contribution if you require it.
    After all, you've made a whole raft of excellent software available to all your users free of charge. Please let us know.

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    Re: Mp3 Patent Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by petriburg
    I think it's pretty mean (my polite language for posting in this forum) for Fraunhofer to make royalties retrospective. In terms of the new fees payable to users of dBpoweramp, does the $9 charge apply only to new users of powerpack, or would you like contributions from all dBpoweramp users?
    Either way, as a highly satisfied user of your programs, and a registered user of powerpack, I would still be happy to make a contribution if you require it.
    After all, you've made a whole raft of excellent software available to all your users free of charge. Please let us know.
    And I second both the opinion and the intent.

    I am wondering at which moment in time does something as widespread as mp3 become part of the public domain.

    Do manufacturers of computers or software pay royalties to whomever invented the ASCII code? :confused:

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    Re: Mp3 Patent Problems

    Sorry to hear that Spoon.

    So, as I understand it:

    dMC now includes file selector and aux input but can't encode MP3s. To encode MP3s you need to get the Power Pack, which is now a 60-day trial, and costs $9 to register, right?

    You could include ogg encoding/decoding as standard and then a rant in the help file as to why MP3 encoding is no longer there and why non-patented formats are better, just to annoy FhG

    In any case, $9 sounds very reasonable.

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    Heh, the funniest thing is, that there's absolutely free version of legal mp3 codec, the one which ships with wmp10(l3codecp.acm from FhG).LoL! And dbpower may take advantage of it absolutely legally, coz now it's system built-in .acm codec. =))
    Just choose when "converting to" wav and then compressed and then mpeg layer 3(and then bitrate). Done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry!
    Heh, the funniest thing is, that there's absolutely free version of legal mp3 codec, the one which ships with wmp10(l3codecp.acm from FhG).LoL! And dbpower may take advantage of it absolutely legally, coz now it's system built-in .acm codec. =))
    Legally, yes. For free, probably not. The issue here is encoding to mp3, which they have patented. No matter what codec dMC uses, users would have to pay the fee so that they can encode to mp3. Besides, Microsoft has enough money to pay the monthly fee for all of its users and not charge them. Remember the WMP 9 mp3 plug-in failure? They tried to get people to pay for mp3 and it failed miserably, because people had better, free alternatives out there. Now that everybody has to pay or will soon, Microsoft pays the feee for its users and gives it out for free. Go figure.

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    Re: Mp3 Patent Problems

    The Microsoft mp3 codec can only encode as 64kbps max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon
    The Microsoft mp3 codec can only encode as 64kbps max.
    The one that ships with wmp10(l3codecp, not l3codeca) encodes 8-320kbps. =)

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    Re: Mp3 Patent Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by LtData
    Legally, yes. For free, probably not. The issue here is encoding to mp3, which they have patented. No matter what codec dMC uses, users would have to pay the fee so that they can encode to mp3.
    It's included now in windows mediaplayer 10. No charges. Just download wmp10 from M$ site and you may encode whatever and much as you wish(considering you're not *nix user though=).
    Besides, Microsoft has enough money to pay the monthly fee for all of its users and not charge them. Remember the WMP 9 mp3 plug-in failure? They tried to get people to pay for mp3 and it failed miserably, because people had better, free alternatives out there. Now that everybody has to pay or will soon, Microsoft pays the feee for its users and gives it out for free. Go figure.
    Ok, let them pay... As you said, Microsoft has enough money. Agreed.
    Last edited by Larry!; 12-22-2004 at 06:02 PM.

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