PerfectTUNES discussion

[MerleOne]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

In task manager I see 4 threads running 'fingerprintgenerator' taking CPU to full utilisation (double core CPU with hyperthreading, so 4 threads make sense). Likely this is normal behavior, but would like to see what speeds others get.

On my old Dell4700, PT is extremely CPU consuming and really slow to fingerprint the database. 4 hours for around 4000 mp3.

[shcbris.]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

Thanks.Can you post an update when you think its in a more reliable state so I can re try.

[Spoon]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

There are some outstanding PerfectTunes accurateRip issues which will be looked at soon (that stop verification).

[shcbris.]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

I have some CD's ie Bryan Ferry Ultimate Collection that rips as all tracks accurate but always Perfecttunes says tracks 4,6,7, 9-12, 14 are in error.
Same result on 3 different PC's (all different manufacturer drives).
Tried ripping at the slowest speed, with interpolation on and off ( off standard ). Same result.
I have several CD's that Perfecttunes reports some tracks in error but rip says accurate...
While I can understand getting the error status for a CD track that does not have an accurate from ripping I not sure why error is reported with all tracks accurate?
ie here is the log for the rip of the Bryan Ferry CD :

dBpoweramp Release 14.4 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Tuesday, 9 April 2013 07:04

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'D: [ATAPI - DVD A DH16A6S ]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: No, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: Yes, Min Passes: 3, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: FLAC -uncompressed -verify
DSP Effects / Actions: -dspeffect1="ReplayGain="

Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 13080 (2:54) in 0:42. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\01 Bryan Ferry - Let's Stick Together ('88 Remix).flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 64723FB4 AccurateRip CRC: 5ACC8E89 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-1]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 5acc8e89]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 58 [CRCv1 dbaae234]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 da7bbb9], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 dc148df3], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 2: Ripped LBA 13080 to 33590 (4:33) in 1:08. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\02 Bryan Ferry - The 'In' Crowd.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: F7454ED8 AccurateRip CRC: 0C8B7AD8 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-2]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 c8b7ad8]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 58 [CRCv1 92d92c9d]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 ee87496a], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 8320235f], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 3: Ripped LBA 33590 to 50432 (3:44) in 0:56. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\03 Bryan Ferry - Dance Away.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 4C279AD1 AccurateRip CRC: 81692A99 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-3]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 81692a99]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 58 [CRCv1 bccf099]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 36759536], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 9 [CRCv1 b52808ca], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 4: Ripped LBA 50432 to 64355 (3:05) in 0:46. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\04 Bryan Ferry - Angel Eyes.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 93EEA3DA AccurateRip CRC: 3AF7420A (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-4]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 3af7420a]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 58 [CRCv1 4b6cdea0]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 3d90e250], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 7ae90798], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 5: Ripped LBA 64355 to 82570 (4:02) in 1:00. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\05 Bryan Ferry - He'll Have To Go.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 772A456F AccurateRip CRC: 28E74DFE (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-5]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 28e74dfe]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 58 [CRCv1 9963d284]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 d794c816], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 cede470d], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 6: Ripped LBA 82570 to 100137 (3:54) in 0:58. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\06 Bryan Ferry - Tokyo Joe.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: DB8C1782 AccurateRip CRC: 2F43910B (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-6]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 2f43910b]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 59 [CRCv1 5ff30b9d]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 5ab1d91], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 aee17e28], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 7: Ripped LBA 100137 to 112992 (2:51) in 0:42. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\07 Bryan Ferry - All I Want Is You.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 5) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 234DF7D3 AccurateRip CRC: 485CA233 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-7]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 5 [CRCv2 485ca233]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 59 [CRCv1 5313bc0c]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 ee4fe974], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 da3cc40f], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 8: Ripped LBA 112992 to 140862 (6:11) in 1:33. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\08 Bryan Ferry - Jealous Guy.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: D57937DB AccurateRip CRC: CBF4F698 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-8]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 cbf4f698]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 60 [CRCv1 38aa051b]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 1f7ead41], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 9 [CRCv1 5d4e7699], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 9: Ripped LBA 140862 to 156155 (3:23) in 0:50. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\09 Bryan Ferry - The Price Of Love.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: EF034B52 AccurateRip CRC: 75C24589 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-9]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 75c24589]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 59 [CRCv1 c9cbc610]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 e702daec], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 9 [CRCv1 ace2d867], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 10: Ripped LBA 156155 to 175667 (4:20) in 1:04. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\10 Bryan Ferry - Don't Stop The Dance.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 5) [Pass 1]
CRC32: E481D15A AccurateRip CRC: CAD1F093 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-10]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 5 [CRCv2 cad1f093]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 59 [CRCv1 b1af82d9]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 8fb2a302], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 9 [CRCv1 249b78c4], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 11: Ripped LBA 175667 to 193867 (4:02) in 0:59. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\11 Bryan Ferry - Love Is The Drug.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: EA0CF7EC AccurateRip CRC: C9D5DBA8 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-11]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 c9d5dba8]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 59 [CRCv1 edd781f6]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 5aabed1d], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 9 [CRCv1 8a3576be], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 12: Ripped LBA 193867 to 210040 (3:35) in 0:52. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\12 Bryan Ferry - This Is Tomorrow.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 5) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 5D557638 AccurateRip CRC: 51708E62 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-12]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 5 [CRCv2 51708e62]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 59 [CRCv1 f7c3c3d7]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 b642c446], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 31d60537], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 13: Ripped LBA 210040 to 230050 (4:26) in 1:05. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\13 Bryan Ferry - Slave To Love.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 00B9B665 AccurateRip CRC: F350800D (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-13]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 f350800d]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 60 [CRCv1 c643bcc7]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 eebc273c], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 9 [CRCv1 57b1d316], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 14: Ripped LBA 230050 to 250845 (4:37) in 1:08. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\14 Bryan Ferry - Help Me.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 6) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 8F354070 AccurateRip CRC: 1EBB3EE6 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-14]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv2 1ebb3ee6]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 58 [CRCv1 13cda04e]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 c25cf875], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 8b753b30], Using Pressing Offset +63

Track 15: Ripped LBA 250845 to 269945 (4:14) in 1:05. Filename: C:\Temp\Bryan Ferry\The Ultimate Collection\15 Bryan Ferry - Avalon.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 5) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 6F59CBDB AccurateRip CRC: 341B0E3E (CRCv2) [DiscID: 015-001fceeb-016c4145-cf0e0f0f-15]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 5 [CRCv2 341b0e3e]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 57 [CRCv1 d77225e3]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 11 [CRCv1 ed540f94], Using Pressing Offset -634
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 9 [CRCv1 b03993ed], Using Pressing Offset +63

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15 Tracks Ripped Accurately

I understand the copy protection issue and can deal with that.
Can anyone tell me the meaning of "track unverifiable" as far as Perfecrtunes uses it?

[Porcus]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

I'm confused about buying problem disks. How does one knowingly buy a problem disk?

For example:

[shcbris.]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

Elic. Thanks I will look into that.
Gary, I was not meaning to buy a CD(s) with a problem but to buy another new CD to replace the one(s) that have errors reported with them.
About 60% the albums with errors reported with perfect tunes are listed as eg "track 6 unverifiable" . I just wanted to know what it actually meant.
The other 40% have eg "track 3 error".
Sorry if I confused you.
Thanks

[EliC]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

If the tracks are secure, you have a few options to verify the rip:

1: Try ripping in a second drive, if you get the same CRC, then its a good rip for that disc
2: Try verifying with CueTools, which has a separate database that includes many entries that AccurateRip does not

[garym]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

I guess I may need to buy a couple of CD's of ones with problems rip them and see how they go.
Can you tell me if the albums with issues reported were called out for some tracks being "track unverifiable"
simply means that there is nothing in the accuraterip DB to compare it with or does it mean something else?
Thanks

sorry, I don't recall that message. Here's an example of the log for a secure rip but something not in the AccurateRip database (I've just listed one track, but all the tracks were listed in the log with similar info).

Track 10: Ripped LBA 332615 to 342193 (2:07) in 0:10. Filename: C:\TempFlacFiles\Duane Allman\Skydog; The Duane Allman Retrospective [7 CD Box Set]\Disc 7\10-Little Martha.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: BE8FF8F7 AccurateRip CRC: 4E075B5E (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-001a385f-00d97f53-8311d20a-10]

p.s. I'm confused about buying problem disks. How does one knowingly buy a problem disk?

[shcbris.]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

I guess I may need to buy a couple of CD's of ones with problems rip them and see how they go.
Can you tell me if the albums with issues reported were called out for some tracks being "track unverifiable"
simply means that there is nothing in the accuraterip DB to compare it with or does it mean something else?
Thanks

[garym]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

my rips over the last 5 years have always been brand new CDs, first time ever in a drive was when I ripped it. And I find that the errors, frame rerips, etc. occur at the same rate as my old CDs which were played 100s of times and are 20+ years old. (all my CDs are in pretty good shape....that is, I never had them sitting around loose in my car). And I'm speaking of a pool of about 5,000 ripped CDs. Bottom line: brand new CDs can have defects, etc. from the manufacturing process.

(and I may be misinterpreting your comments, so I apologize if I am, but just in case: testing a file with audiotester, having a file listed as secure or even secure(i), etc. is NOT equivalent to the AccurateRip match. I have plenty of CDs that are securely ripped, can be decoded properly, etc. but do NOT have an AR match. They are either brand new CDs, older, but obscure CDs, or even some nonobscure CDs that simply must have a different pressing or something.

[shcbris.]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

Looks like you are possibly right. According to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cat_Empire_%28album%29

it says " This album has been released with the Copy Control protection system in some regions."
So assuming my copy is it could quite well explain why so many tracks are at issue.
I do have two other Cat Empire CD's which ripped with no problems and test with Perfecttunes ok.
Supposedly the copy of Two Shoes ( 2005 Virgin ) I have is supposed to be copy protected as well but ripped accurately as did their album So Many Nights.

[Porcus]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

The green CRC means that it got the same as your previous rip (as long as it is so recent that it is still in the dBpoweramp cache). That only means that your burnt copy is a good copy of whatever you ripped. And that your burnt copy was well ripped.

It could be a manufactoring issue on the CD: to many 0's or 1's which are, physically, so close to 0.5 that different drives read different. Indeed, are you sure it is not a defective-by-design, i.e. a copy protected? Those are intentionally erroneous.

[shcbris.]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

I re-ripped The Cat Empire CD The Cat Empire on another PC as this was the worst of the albums reported (with HDCD removed this time ).
Still reports as 1 track accurate ( track 12 ). All other tracks list as "i secure".
This CD has never been in a CD player and was ripped like a lot of my CD's straight out of new packaging.
I thought I'd try copying the CD onto a CDR ( Taiyo Yuden) burning it at x1.
When I ripped ( using DBP) using the burnt copy it it now lists tracks 1-11 and 13 are "x AR with green tick secure" instead of "x AR i secure" . Track 12 still lists as accurate.
So I'm thinking CD quality or similar even though its almost brand new and only been in a CD mechanism 3 or 4 times...??
Thought that I'd get a better result with Perfecttunes re test this time....
Unfortunately the same result when tested with Perfecttunes.. 1 track (track 12) accurate the rest have errors (tracks 1-11 and 13 )

[dbfan]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

Try to rerun one of the bad reported albums.

[shcbris.]

Re: PerfectTUNES discussion

Looking further into it as I should of done before posting.
For the CD's reporting a track error or two most were associated with an "secure' rip status or "secure with warning" instead of "accurate" in the log of the rip.
There were a few albums that had a status of 'accurate" for all tracks but still perfecttunes reported 1 or two tracks as in error.
Maybe I am now thinking audio tester is not as good as I thought......? Still it has given me a frame of reference...its good for truncation etc issues..
Most of the albums with issues reported were called out for some tracks being "track unverifiable".
Can I take it that this simply means that there is nothing in the accuraterip DB to compare it with?
The only HDCD albums I have are Neil Young, Dire Straits and Joni Mitchell and possibly one or two other. The majority are normal CD's.
I do have the log text's for all files for the ripping of the albums if any are of interest.
When I get some time I will re rip the albums concerned and see how they turn out.
Maybe I should of only used HDCD for those albums I knew were HDCD....trouble is there are some that do not say they are HDCD but are in fact HDCD.
I will also read the best practice item ...hopefully I do not discover anything that will prompt me to re rip everything ......:cry:
Thanks again.