How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

[garym]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

Excellent outcome!

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

SOLVED!:
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After a couple of additional weeks of working on this problem with the awesome guys over at Acronis, they figured out (credit where credit is due) that the DLLs which were being installed in the dbPoweramp Nimbie configuration folders are an old version of the files which have not beein updated to match the latest version of dbPoweramp. They kindly sent me the correct DLLs, which should have been installed. I simply copied each replacement DLL to the appropriate C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\Loaders\Nimbie\load, pre-batch, unload, and reject folders. That's all it took. Everything started working correctly as soon as I put the current DLLs in those folders. After replacing those DLLs, the very first disc I put into the Nimbie was able to correctly configure AccurateRip. As it turns out, configuring AccurateRip isn't the gargantuanly obtuse, mysterious black magic process it seemed to be during my few months of trying to get it to work. When the right DLLs are installed, AccurateRip has no trouble configuring your drive at all. Since updating the DLLs, I have run about 800 CDs through the Nimbie and only a very few discs (which were visibly damaged) were rejected. Probably 99% of my CDs ripped perfectly with full, high-confidence AccurateRip verification. Thanks to Acronis for helping me solve this issue. I'm pretty happy with the software and hardware combination now. I just wanted to pop on here to post the solution in order to help anyone else who is having trouble getting AccurateRip and dbPoweramp to work with a Nimbie NB21-BR USB 3.0 autoloader. If you have installed the Nimbie configuration files downloaded from the dbPoweramp web site, you may need to update the DLLs in that package so they match the current version of dbPoweramp. Acronis has the correct DLLs, if you need them, but hopefully the install package on the Illustrate/dbPoweramp site will be updated soon to fix this issue.

Oh, one more thing. If your Nimbie is having trouble reading some of your discs which otherwise look fine, try plugging the Nimbie into a USB 2 port instead of USB 3. Doing that helps the rip success rate to stabilize at a higher level. For ripping CDs, the reduced connection speed of USB 2 has no noticeable impact on rip speed (for me at least) and gives much more consistent rip results. You can still use the USB 3 cable which ships with the Nimbie. Just plug it into a USB 2 port on your computer. It is fully backwards compatible.
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-Bill (BillDem3D)

[Spoon]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

To configure accuraterip you would need a CD which does not have a 2nd pressing in the database, more recent releases are likely to fulfil this.

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

I used CD Ripper to run through a couple dozen of my test discs, which are all listed in AccurateRip's database. Every disc gave the same error as they give in Batch Ripper. Zero difference.

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

Have a look at this list: [SIZE=2]AccurateRip[/SIZE] Key Discs. Hopefully you can feed it one of these and it will configure.

I typed a reply, but it never posted. That has happened to me twice before. Strange...

Anyway, most of the discs I'm using in my test "batch" are on that list. Still, every single one asks me if I want to configure AccurateRip. When I click Configure, I get that error pop up I listed before. By the time it asks me if I want to configure AccurateRip, the program has already correctly identified the disc, retrieved the meta data, and displayed the meta data asking me to confirm it. Only after doing those things, does it ask me if I want to configure AccurateRip. So, it knows which disc is in the drive. Despite it correctly identifying the disc, and pulling the correct meta data off the Internet, and the disc having been verified to be on their key disc list, AccuratewRip still pops up the error. As I said, the disc is definitely on their list, so the error message seems to be indicating that the drive isn't in their drive offset database. So, I checked their drive list at http://http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm and the drive is definitely on their list - "PIONEER - BD-RW BDR-209M." The only thing I can think of now is that an unforeseen error is occuring and that message is the default message they display on all unknown errors.

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

Have a look at this list: [SIZE=2]AccurateRip[/SIZE] Key Discs. Hopefully you can feed it one of these and it will configure.

Thanks for the link. I've been using a stack of CDs. After comparing my test stack with the table on that page, I can see many of my discs are already on that key list. It runs through the stack, asking me on each CD if I want to configure AccurateRip. After I press Configure, it displays the error pop up. Among all of the discs I'm using, at least one of them should have worked.

Here are the discs in the stack of CDs I’ve been using to test:
Supertramp – Crime of the Century
No Doubt – Tragic Kingdom
Coldplay – A Rush OF Blood To The Head
Coldplay – Ghost Stories
Bob Marley & The Wailers – Legend
Earth Wind & Fire – Greatest Hits
Barry Manilow – Ultimate Manilow
Shania Twain – Come On Over
Seal – Seal
Madona – Ray of Light
Lionel Ritchie - 20th Century Masters: The Millenium Collection
Stevie Wonder - 20th Century Masters: The Millenium Collection
The Commodores - 20th Century Masters: The Millenium Collection
Mannheim Steamroller – Christmas Symphony II
Dire Straits – Money For Nothing
Dire Straits – On Every Street
Alice Coltrane – Priceless Jazz
More Ella Fitzgerald – Priceless Jazz Compilation
Counting Crows – Recovering The Satellites
Aerosmith – Big Ones
Backstreet Boys – For The Fans
Oasis – Be Here Now
Bee Gees – The Ultimate Bee Gees
Abba – Gold: Greatest Hits
Trans Siberian Orchestra – The Christmas Attic
Chicago – The Chicago Story: Complete Greatest Hits
Yes – Fragile
Yes – 90125
Toto – Hydra
Loreena McKinnett – The Mask And Mirror
Rush – 2112
Rod Stewart – Greatest Hits
Joe Satriani – The Extremist
Moody Blues - Long Distance Voyager
The Cars – Greatest Hits
The B52’s – Cosmic Thing
Don Henley – The End Of The Innocence
Eagles – Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975
Eagles – Hell Freezes Over
Steely Dan – Aja
Jethro Tull – Songs From The Wood
Pink Floyd – Dark Side Of The Moon
Emerson, Lake & Palmer – Brain Salad Surgery
The Beatles – 1 (2015 version)
The Who – Who’s Better, Who’s Best
Kansas – Point Of Know Return
Styx – The Grand Illusion
Tracy Chapman – New Beginning
Enya – The Memory Of Trees
Ed Sheeran – X
Twenty-One Pilots – Twenty-One Pilots

[Spoon]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

Use CD Ripper, not batch ripper to get the drive offset configured, you do not need to rip the cd, only insert it so it is read, keep trying cds.

[mville]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

Have a look at this list: [SIZE=2]AccurateRip[/SIZE] Key Discs. Hopefully you can feed it one of these and it will configure.

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

I finally got Batch Ripper to rip CDs as "secure," but AccurateRip still doesn't work. When the ripping process starts, it pops up a dialog telling me it can configure Accurate Rip using the CD currently in the drive. I click to tell it to configure. Then, it pops up an error. (image attached below, I hope)



The message reads, "This Key Disc cannot be used for offset detection it does not match the AccurateRip stored disc, or your drive does not exist in AccurateRip and this disc has multiple pressings stored. Please try a different Key Disc."

It pops up this same message for each disc in the stack of about 50 popular discs I'm currently using to test. Most, if not all of these discs are definitely in their database, so something else must be causing AccurateRip to abort configuration. Any suggestions?

FYI - The problem that caused Batch Ripper to reject every disc for the past couple months of trying was caused by the install & uninstall processes being incomplete and flawed. (They were leaving stuff behind that should have been removed and then not rewriting the correct version of the files on the next install.) There was also a conflict between the dbPoweramp install routines from the Nimbie software disc, and your install routines for the current version. Both of these things combined to create a perpetually corrupt dbPoweramp installation containing a mix of old and new files, no matter how many times I uninstalled and re-installed. To fix it, I did an uninstall, then I searched every process on my system to track down and manually remove a variety of files left behind by the uninstall. Once I was pretty sure I had deleted all of orphaned code left behind by dbPoweramp, Nimbie, and Broadex, I did a fresh install of the Nimbie driver only (none of their other software) followed by a clean install of the latest version of your software. That's when Batch Ripper stopped rejecting every CD and started ripping like all of the other programs I had tried. Accurate Rip is the only thing which still doesn't work, which unfortunately was the entire reason I bought dbPoweramp and a Nimbie robot. So, I'm still not finished trying to figure this out, but at least Batch Ripper doesn't reject CDs now.

What can I do to get Accurate Rip to work on this Pioneer Blu-ray drive?

Does this error mean the drive needs to be added to the AccurateRip drive offsets database?
Is there any way to do that? Who do I talk to?

-Bill (The Stubborn)

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

I tried to figure out a way to clean the laser lens, but just couldn't get to it. I did try one of those "optical drive cleaning discs," but it didn't help. I think it may be time to finally give up.

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

I spent a good part of my weekend trying to get both Nimbies to work with several other PCs. One of them never worked with any PC I tried, so something is obviously very wrong with that unit. I was actually able to get the other Nimbie to successfully rip between 1 and 3 tracks each on most of the 50 test CDs. Unfortunately, every disc was eventually still rejected due to the massive number of errors on all of the other tracks on each disc. Most of the test CDs had no visible smudges, scratches, or flaws on them. They also worked fine on my internal drives, so perhaps the optics are simply dirty on the Nimbie that sometimes rips a track successfully. Today, I plan to figure out a way to clean the laser lens on the Nimbie that sometimes,worked. It won't be easy because there are warranty-void seals preventing me from simply opening the machine up. At least I'm making a little progress toward figuring this out. Still not ready to give up completely. Wish me luck.

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

Today, I plan to switch to a different computer to try to get this to work. If there is some strange incompatibility caused by my particular motherboard, BIOS, CPU, chipset, memory, or other hardware device, switching to a completely different computer should make a difference. I actually have 3 other computers, which a very rarely use for anything other than hosting network functions. I'll keep trying different computers until I find one that works. Then, I'll compare that combination of components to my primary desktop in order to try to narrow it down to a few probable culprits. I'll post an update if I gain any useful insight.

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

>Unable to Read CD Disc, is Audio CD?

This is an error indicative that the drive in the Nimbie is not working correctly with your computer. It could be the drive, it could be the chipset you have, it is hard to tell. CD Ripper is actively used on 100,000's of computers and we rarely come across this error.

The possibility that it was a drive problem was the reason Acronova sent me a second brand new Nimbie. We were trying to minimize the possibility of the issue being the a faulty Nimbie. The likelihood of two different Nimbies consistently returning the same exact errors should be significantly smaller than testing a single unit. But keep in mind that trying two different units wasn't the only thing I tried in an effort to make sure it wasn't a drive issue. I also ran a number of other ripping programs with both Nimbies. Literally all of the other programs I've tried work perfectly. Zero errors. Zero glitches or pauses to indicate the Nimbie was having trouble reading the discs. Both Nimbies are also able to play the music tracks on the audio CDs using at least half a dozen different audio player programs that I've tried. To me, these test results serve to verify two things. First, both Nimbies can (and obviously do) read the audio CDs just fine. Secondly, all other software I've tested is able to recognize, read, and play music CDs using both Nimbie drives without any errors. Given these two facts, I don't see how I could logically accept the conclusion that there is something wrong with the drive. These facts also all but eliminate the possibility that the Windows driver for the Nimbie could be the issue. Either a broken driver or faulty hardware would normally affect the CD access of all software equally. Weeks of testing with two different Nimbies and lots of software has demonstrated to me that only the dbPoweramp ripping software has trouble using the drive. On the other hand, I will admit there is a reasonable chance your stated conclusion might be based on insider knowledge which I don't have, especially if you personally wrote the Batch Ripper code. But based on my troubleshooting and my historical experience, the only logical conclusion I can support is that there is an unknown, rare issue hidden in some fairly unique and obscure portion of the dbPoweramp ripping code. Yes, I was reaching a bit when I suggested that AccurateRip might be flagging all the discs as rejects based on the possibility that it is using an incorrectly set drive offset value. My assumption was that the data streams being compared by AccurateRip would not match if the track data was ripped starting at the wrong location on the disc.

I'm sincerely not trying to offend you. But before you discount my conclusions completely, I feel I should give you a bit of background information about me. I have a BS in Computer Science and a Masters in Project Management. I spent most of my life writing and debugging code before I retired. I've programmed in at least two dozen different computer languages on a fairly wide variety of CPUs & OSes. This included writing a fair amount of hand crafted assembly code for the PC. I wrote my first computer code in high school (before the PC or Apple || were available ~1976-1977) by manually entering machine code using a hexadecimal keypad on a refrigerator sized computer with only 4k of RAM. The last half of my career was spent working as a PC game programmer at a number of different small game development companies. I worked on sub-contracted games for Activision, Electronic Arts, Viacom, DC True, and others. On my very first Windows project, one of the things I wrote was triple buffered code running in a tiny sliver of RAM for Windows XP which continuously played Redbook audio CD tracks in the background of arcade style "twitch" games running at 200+fps using Win32. The CD audio code was unique because it ran without the usual (at the time) annoying display freezes caused by the optical drive seeking to a new track. My code was still being reused over and over in a number of other games even after I retired. I received occasional thank you emails from other developers for years. My point is I have extensive experience using deductive reasoning to narrow down the possible causes of code misbehavior. So, unless dbPoweramp is doing something particularly tricky/risky, like directly manipulating the hardware of the optical drive, rather than using the abstraction layer provided by the standard Windows optical drive interface, my experience tells me that the dbPoweramp code should behave similarly to any other program which is correctly using the same Windows interface. Unfortunately, this isn't the case because everything else I've tried works perfectly and only dbPoweramp's ripper doesn't work.

Like I said before, I'm not trying to create conflict, because I understand the complexity of modern software, and frankly your ripping software is far more capable than anything else I've seen. In order to avoid creating conflict, it is generally my habit when I contact tech support, to act and respond like a run-of-the-mill customer who wasn't a lifetime professional coder. I'm not trying to be sneaky or anything. I do it so I don't bias or otherwise alter the normal tech support responses to questions. I do it because I fully realize that there is ALWAYS the possibility I've overlooked something important in my troubleshooting efforts. I prefer getting unedited tech support responses because they have provided me with additional avenues for troubleshooting in more than a few cases. I'm only telling you my background now to point out that I have spent weeks trying things most people wouldn't even know to try before I came here looking for answers/suggestions. I also wanted you to know that my troubleshooting efforts have been based on an above average understanding of the coded mechanisms running behind the scenes. In other words, I'm just trying to help isolate the problem logically (and hopefullly without pissing anyone off) so we can solve it quicker.

Toward that end, do you have any other suggestions or additional tests I could try which would help narrow down the exact cause? I haven't found any other ripper that combines AccurateRip file verification with the highly complex conditional path creation your software supports. So, unlike most users I am fairly motivated to help get this working, rather than simply requesting a refund because it doesn't work.

Let me know what to do.
Thanks for all the help.
-Bill

[Spoon]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

>Unable to Read CD Disc, is Audio CD?

This is an error indicative that the drive in the Nimbie is not working correctly with your computer. It could be the drive, it could be the chipset you have, it is hard to tell. CD Ripper is actively used on 100,000's of computers and we rarely come across this error.

[BillDem3D]

Re: How can I force AccurateRip to retest key discs and set new offset information?

As a test, disconnect the internal drives please.

I already tried to post a response once, but it never showed up. So, I'm trying again.

This morning, I disconnected all optical drives except one Nimbie machine. I ran the 4 CDs I'm testing through Batch Ripper on the Nimbie after configuring. All 4 were rejected. The error message was, "Ripping Error" on all 4. At least the error message is consistent now.

What should I try next?
-Bill

Debug/Notes From Rip
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dBpoweramp Batch Ripper
Batch Name:
Batch ID: 50009
Using Profile: Profile From 8-21-2017
Batch Rip Started: 9/2/2017 09:39:34

[PID: 16588] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Pre-Batch\Pre-Batch.exe" --drive="N" --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBB6A8B. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BB6A8C.tmp"
[PID: 16588] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed

[PID: 1668] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Load\L oad.exe" --drive="N" --rejectifnodisc --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBB70B7. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BB70B8.tmp"
[PID: 1668] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed

[PID: 9684] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Reject \Reject.exe" --drive="N" --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBB83DF. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BB83E0.tmp"
[PID: 9684] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed

Disc 1: Madonna - Ray Of Light Reject 1: Ripping Error
Error ripping to , 'All Tracks' to 'All Tracks'
Unable to Read CD Disc, is Audio CD?
[PID: 10816] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Load\L oad.exe" --drive="N" --rejectifnodisc --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBBCDFB. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BBCDFC.tmp"
[PID: 10816] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed

[PID: 12764] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Reject \Reject.exe" --drive="N" --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBB34A7. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BB34A8.tmp"
[PID: 12764] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed


Disc 2: Bob Marley & The Wailers - Legend (The Best Of Bob Marley And The Wailers) Reject 2: Ripping Error
Error ripping to , 'All Tracks' to 'All Tracks'
Unable to Read CD Disc, is Audio CD?
[PID: 15444] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Load\L oad.exe" --drive="N" --rejectifnodisc --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBB7F8E. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BB7F8F.tmp"
[PID: 15444] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed

[PID: 16048] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Reject \Reject.exe" --drive="N" --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBBE946. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BBE957.tmp"
[PID: 16048] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed


Disc 3: No Doubt - Tragic Kingdom Reject 3: Ripping Error
Error ripping to , 'All Tracks' to 'All Tracks'
Unable to Read CD Disc, is Audio CD?
[PID: 6176] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Load\L oad.exe" --drive="N" --rejectifnodisc --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBB33EF. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BB33F0.tmp"
[PID: 6176] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed

[PID: 15492] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Reject \Reject.exe" --drive="N" --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBBDF8A. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BBDF8B.tmp"
[PID: 15492] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed


Disc 4: Seal - Seal Reject 4: Ripping Error
Error ripping to , 'All Tracks' to 'All Tracks'
Unable to Read CD Disc, is Audio CD?
[PID: 16460] Running Loader: "C:\Program Files\dBpoweramp\BatchRipper\Loaders\Nimbie\Load\L oad.exe" --drive="N" --rejectifnodisc --logfile="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\dBB4414. tmp" --passerrorsback="C:\Users\bill\AppData\Local\Temp\d BB4415.tmp"
[PID: 16460] Init Nimbie: Connecting to Nimbie: Close Nimbie: Closed



Batch Ended: 9/2/2017 09:47:14
Ripped: 0 Discs
Rejected: 4 Discs