wave to midi conversion

[Simmy]

Hi all

sorry I am new to this music conversion stuff, but I wanted to convert my wave music or mp3 music files to midi but I cannot find a menu anywhere to do this

Am I just being stupid??

Simmy

[ShaneR]

Re: wave to midi conversion

yep, being stupid ...Just kiddin'

Actually, you can not convert audio formats to midi...just can't be done. Midi files only contain data (instructions) that tell the computer what sound to trigger (along with tons of other performance data). Midi does not contain audio-it's basically a data file. So, converting an audio stream of any type to midi just can't be done.

That's the short answer

[LtData]

Re: wave to midi conversion

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=10

Short answer: No you cannot
Long answer: You CAN, but it will probably end up sounding like crap.

[ShaneR]

Re: wave to midi conversion

Long answer: You CAN, but it will probably end up sounding like crap.

Exactly. But, I would replace "probably" with "will". The program linked to in the post pointed to above is an interesting exercise, but not much in the way of practicality.

I use midi daily as I'm a muscian with a home studio and it's no doubt given TONS to us amatuer and professional musicians. But, as for the listener of music, I don't think Midi and Audio should even be mentioned together.

My two cents (for what it's worth)

[ChristinaS]

Re: wave to midi conversion

Exactly. But, I would replace "probably" with "will". The program linked to in the post pointed to above is an interesting exercise, but not much in the way of practicality.

I use midi daily as I'm a musician with a home studio and it's no doubt given TONS to us amateur and professional musicians. But, as for the listener of music, I don't think Midi and Audio should even be mentioned together.

My two cents (for what it's worth)

With a good soundbank and used by a great musician, with all the knowledge and experience of composition and arrangements, midi can sound fantastic. But because it relies on the particular soundbank used, it will not necessarily be reproduced the same way on every pc. It can range from awful to awesome.

Musicians I know who compose great midi music record it to .wav through their soundcard while playing the midi file on their own machine, so they capture the sound exactly as intended.

[ShaneR]

Re: wave to midi conversion

No doubt, Christine. That's exactly what I do here at home. I have gigabytes of samples and tons of programs(all cost me a fortune and no record deal yet! LOL) I use for writing and recording. Really can't say enough about what the PC, samplers, and sample makers have brought to the table. Heck, when we have the majority of, say, the score for Lord of The Rings composed in that way...it's saying something I've been making use of midi's capabilities since it's early days. Even though it's stayed the same for the last 20 years, a lot of great technologies have grown up around it.

Guess what I was trying to say it that midi, today, is a tool for composition and performance like a piano or guitar. It's only as good as the person using it. It that since, midi is only one element present in the final sound--It allows the musician to get there, but doesn't make good audio by itself.

So, in the context of this audio forum, I was trying to say midi doesn't mean much to a person who just wants to listen to the lastest hit on the charts. It's not a format like mp3, ape, flac, etc.

lol...hope that rambling made sense

[ChristinaS]

Re: wave to midi conversion

No doubt, Christine. That's exactly what I do here at home. I have gigabytes of samples and tons of programs(all cost me a fortune and no record deal yet! LOL) I use for writing and recording. Really can't say enough about what the PC, samplers, and sample makers have brought to the table. Heck, when we have the majority of, say, the score for Lord of The Rings composed in that way...it's saying something I've been making use of midi's capabilities since it's early days. Even though it's stayed the same for the last 20 years, a lot of great technologies have grown up around it.

Guess what I was trying to say it that midi, today, is a tool for composition and performance like a piano or guitar. It's only as good as the person using it. It that since, midi is only one element present in the final sound--It allows the musician to get there, but doesn't make good audio by itself.

So, in the context of this audio forum, I was trying to say midi doesn't mean much to a person who just wants to listen to the lastest hit on the charts. It's not a format like mp3, ape, flac, etc.

lol...hope that rambling made sense

Well, once again it just comes to show that composing music requires talent and knowldege not just dumb luck and hi-tech.

I got some of the high-tech, maybe even the dumb luck, but I'll be damned if I can make a decent sound, not even close. I'm missing those other ingredients and unless I just let the samples just play on and loop them- and even then - nothing remotely reminiscent of music will come out of anything I try :D

[ShaneR]

Re: wave to midi conversion

Well, once again it just comes to show that composing music requires talent and knowldege not just dumb luck and hi-tech.

I got some of the high-tech, maybe even the dumb luck, but I'll be damned if I can make a decent sound, not even close. I'm missing those other ingredients and unless I just let the samples just play on and loop them- and even then - nothing remotely reminiscent of music will come out of anything I try :D

LMAO...I hear that :D

I paid Hundred's of dollars for a sampled Bosendorfer piano. Imagine my surprise when I DID NOT sound like Mozart or Betoven!! hehehe....and they wouldn't give me a refund lol

But, I don't care good or bad someone is, with today's technology just makin a sound is pure fun! Make good music, make bad music...just make music LOL

[ChristinaS]

Re: wave to midi conversion

LMAO...I hear that :D

I paid Hundred's of dollars for a sampled Bosendorfer piano. Imagine my surprise when I DID NOT sound like Mozart or Betoven!! hehehe....and they wouldn't give me a refund lol

But, I don't care good or bad someone is, with today's technology just makin a sound is pure fun! Make good music, make bad music...just make music LOL

Oh, too bad I can't take the composition software into the shower, cuz that's where I make REALLY GREAT MUSIC! :D

[Smoggy]

Re: wave to midi conversion

What kinda recording/synth software do you guys use?

I have alot of Cakewalk stuff.
Music Creator
Kinetic
Protracks

Also thinking about buying Project5...
Any input on Project5?

I have also been thinking....(More like dreaming) about Sonar Producer....Don't have the big $$$ for that right now tho.

[ChristinaS]

Re: wave to midi conversion

What kinda recording/synth software do you guys use?

I have alot of Cakewalk stuff.
Music Creator
Kinetic
Protracks

Also thinking about buying Project5...
Any input on Project5?

I have also been thinking....(More like dreaming) about Sonar Producer....Don't have the big $$$ for that right now tho.

The musician in my household uses sometimes Logic for composing midi. Anvil Studio for simpler, quicker stuff at times.

For home recording we use a portable 8-track Roland Boss recording console, and it all gets captured and extra effects applied by Voyetra Record Producer Deluxe through s/pdif. Logic should be able to handle that too, but it's just too damn complicated. Besides I handle most of the captures myself and I'll be damned if I'll kill myself with Logic :D

My musician is dreaming more about getting into a real studio with real sound technicians where she won't have to do everything herself LOL!

[Smoggy]

Re: wave to midi conversion

The musician in my household uses sometimes Logic for composing midi. Anvil Studio for simpler, quicker stuff at times.

For home recording we use a portable 8-track Roland Boss recording console, and it all gets captured and extra effects applied by Voyetra Record Producer Deluxe through s/pdif. Logic should be able to handle that too, but it's just too damn complicated. Besides I handle most of the captures myself and I'll be damned if I'll kill myself with Logic :D

My musician is dreaming more about getting into a real studio with real sound technicians where she won't have to do everything herself LOL!

I use a "Digitech RPX400 Multi Effects Processor" as a guitar interface and a standard Midi port for keyboard...(Not that I can play the keyboard but its fun for adding crazy effects)....It's kinda primitve but so are my musical skills....LOL :komisch7:

[ChristinaS]

Re: wave to midi conversion

I use a "Digitech RPX400 Multi Effects Processor" as a guitar interface and a standard Midi port for keyboard...(Not that I can play the keyboard but its fun for adding crazy effects)....It's kinda primitve but so are my musical skills....LOL :komisch7:

I have a very skilled musician friend who composes midi using Anvil Studio. He literally drags and drops notes on the staff with the mouse. His computer has no midi port (a long story why not) so he can't use a keyboard for input. The results are stunning.

[Smoggy]

Re: wave to midi conversion

I do that too. although I don't use the staff, just a midi sequencing map...It makes for a perfect groove...you can time everything precisely that way. Although it makes it sound more electronic.

[ChristinaS]

Re: wave to midi conversion

I do that too. although I don't use the staff, just a midi sequencing map...It makes for a perfect groove...you can time everything precisely that way. Although it makes it sound more electronic.

Hmm... what about the humanize function? I see it in several of the programs that deal with midi. I think that's what it's for.