24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

[NickP]

I have a "studio master" recording of 13 tracks that I want to put on to audio CD. It's 24 bits @ 92 KHz. The recording is around 57 minutes, but once converted I have 220m 23s to be written to CD.

[Spoon]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

Why would changing the frequency change the length?

[NickP]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

I didn't change the frequency; I purchased a studio-master download flac (24bits, 92KHz) from Linn Products, & I want to burn it to a CD for the car. When converting the files for burning to CD, the Music Converter seems not to be behaving properly since, at the end of the conversion process, it refuses to burn to CD because there is not 220 minutes of content.

hth

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[Spoon]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

For it to be burnt to CD, dBpoweramp CD Writer would have to convert to 16bit 44.1KHz

[NickP]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

For it to be burnt to CD, dBpoweramp CD Writer would have to convert to 16bit 44.1KHz

... and how does one achieve this?

[Spoon]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

Which cd writing program are you using?

[NickP]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

First time, I used CD Writer. Second time, Music Converter and got the same behaviour.

N

[Spoon]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

Install the [Audio Info] utility codec:

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/codec-central-utility.htm

Select all the 24 bit files and right click >> Convert to >> [Audio Info], then select all the converted 16 bit files you have done, right click >> convert to >> audio info, post the results here please.

[NickP]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

Thanks; I'm going to be away from my computer till Sunday, so I'll try this when next get on it.
N

[NickP]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

Hope this is what you meant - I don't see an option to upload, but I'm quite good at missing the obvious...<g>

Source files:

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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\01 - Te lucis ante terminum.flac

Length: 2 minutes 43 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 15,695,389
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 1
    TITLE: Te lucis ante terminum
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\02 - Salvator mundi.flac

Length: 2 minutes 54 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 16,794,557
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 2
    TITLE: Salvator mundi
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\03 - Spem in alium.flac

Length: 9 minutes 59 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 57,551,439
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 3
    TITLE: Spem in alium
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\04 - In iejunio et fletu.flac

Length: 4 minutes 37 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 26,658,630
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 4
    TITLE: In iejunio et fletu
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\05 - O Salutaris hostia.flac

Length: 3 minutes 19 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 19,107,635
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 5
    TITLE: O Salutaris hostia
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\06 - Lamentations I.flac

Length: 7 minutes 59 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 45,992,421
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 6
    TITLE: Lamentations I
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\07 - Lamentations II.flac

Length: 12 minutes 16 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 70,720,176
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 7
    TITLE: Lamentations II
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\08 - Miserere.flac

Length: 2 minutes 36 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 15,063,208
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 8
    TITLE: Miserere
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\09 - Mass for 4 voices Gloria.flac

Length: 5 minutes 20 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 30,723,572
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 9
    TITLE: Mass for 4 voices Gloria
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\10 - Credo.flac

Length: 6 minutes 10 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 35,543,123
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 10
    TITLE: Credo
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\11 - Sanctus.flac

Length: 2 minutes 47 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 16,113,343
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 11
    TITLE: Sanctus
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\12 - Benedictus.flac

Length: 2 minutes 43 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 15,686,097
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 12
    TITLE: Benedictus
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


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Audio Details for: Y:\flac\Tallis, Thomas\Spem in alium (Linn 24 bit)\13 - Agnus Dei.flac

Length: 3 minutes 53 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 96 KHz
Sample Size: 24 bit
Bit Rate: 4,608 kbps  (DVD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: Perfect (Lossless)
    Encoder: FLAC reference libFLAC 1.1.2 20050205
    Sample Count: 22,416,470
    ID Tag: Vorbis Comments
    Contains: CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    Track: 13
    TITLE: Agnus Dei
    ARTIST: Magnificat
    ALBUM: Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
    GENRE: Classical
    Year: 2004


Converted files:


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track01.wav

Length: 3 minutes 53 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 10,297,589
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 39.28 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track02.wav

Length: 2 minutes 43 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 7,210,203
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 27.5 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track03.wav

Length: 2 minutes 54 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 7,715,134
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 29.43 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track04.wav

Length: 9 minutes 59 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 26,437,711
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 100.85 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track05.wav

Length: 4 minutes 37 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 12,246,360
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 46.72 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track06.wav

Length: 3 minutes 19 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 8,777,576
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 33.48 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track07.wav

Length: 7 minutes 59 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 21,127,839
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 80.6 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track08.wav

Length: 12 minutes 16 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 32,487,151
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 123.93 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track09.wav

Length: 2 minutes 36 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 6,919,742
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 26.4 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track10.wav

Length: 5 minutes 20 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 14,113,738
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 53.84 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track11.wav

Length: 6 minutes 10 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 16,327,760
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 62.29 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track12.wav

Length: 2 minutes 47 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 7,402,163
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 28.24 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data


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Audio Details for: C:\Documents and Settings\nick.ACL\Application Data\dBpoweramp\dBpoweramp-CDWriterTmp\Standard Audio CD (74 min)\Track13.wav

Length: 2 minutes 43 seconds
Channels: 2  (stereo)
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Sample Size: 16 bit
Bit Rate: 1,411 kbps  (CD)

Audio Properties:

    Audio Quality: CD  (Lossless)
    Encoder Settings: PCM
    Wave Header: Wave Format PCM
    Channel Mapping: Left, Right
    Sample Count: 7,205,881
    Riff Chunks: 'fmt ' 16 bytes,  'data' 27.49 MB
    Gapless: Yes

ID Tags:

    _riff_1: DATA Length: 4   fmt 
    _riff_2: DATA Length: 4   data

hth

N

[Spoon]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

The wave files seem sort of ok (in fact they have a less length than the flac files...), but those 13 wav files are not 220 minutes.

[NickP]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

The wave files seem sort of ok (in fact they have a less length than the flac files...), but those 13 wav files are not 220 minutes.

Yes, I agree. Yet the fact remains that the Music Converter's GUI displays the duration of the track exactly as I reported, and refuses to burn the CD.

I have replicated the issue with this free download from Linn Records:

http://soundcloud.com/linnrecords/bheki-alyn-cosker-24bit-96khz-flac

This file contains 7:39 minutes, 24nit, 96KHx.

Converting to "Standard Audio (74 min)", the value in the "Length" column for the converted file is [also] 7:39. The band at the bottom of the window says "25 minutes used (33%) 1 tracks 48m 59s free"

hth

N

[Spoon]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

Confirmed bug. For now if you (when adding to CD) add the DSP effects 'Bit Depth' set to 16 and 'Resample' set to 44.1KHz that gets around the issue.

[NickP]

Re: 24bit 92KHz flac overburns CD

Thanks.

N