Beginner question on dynamic naming

[garym]

Re: Beginner question on dynamic naming

I changed the slashes. Same result.

what result? What's not working as expected (and double check that you've reversed ALL the slashes).

[Johnnyb]

Re: Beginner question on dynamic naming

I changed the slashes. Same result.

[Johnnyb]

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Thanks Gary. I have only Album artist sort in my string, but I do have all of those tags checked that you mentioned. I do realize that the oil name doesn't;t mean anything as far as Audirvana reading the information. I look at the file name like my name. The tags are like my fingerprints. Intrinsic information that identifies the file and helps organize it in the music server.

Achmidj - I am ripping to FLAC in a Mac environment. Gary - I will check out the mp3tag.

Gbroen - Thanks for reminding me of the slahses! I forgot to change those in Simbuns string. Not sure if that will make a difference. I'll try it now.

[GBrown]

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Sorry, a little late to this discussion. I see that the OP is on a Mac mini, so the slashes in my naming string will need to be replaced for MacOS. But I use sorting tags for AlbumArtist, Album, Artist, Composer, and Title. I fill this info in for every file, whether it is an exact duplicate of the non-sort field or not, for consistency. In some cases this information is readily available in CD Ripper, but usually the sort fields need to be added manually. When it comes to the file name, it is less relevant for most modern players that really build their library from the metadata tag info. But it really does help when working within a file browser. And for restoring from back up in the event something unexpected happens.

This is the string I use for naming all of my rips:
[MAXLENGTH]80,[IFVALUE][tag]album artist sort[],[tag]album artist sort[],[album artist][][]\[MAXLENGTH]80,[IFVALUE][tag]album sort[],[tag]album sort[],[album][] [[IFVALUE][tag]album artist sort[],[tag]album artist sort[],[album artist][]][]\[MAXLENGTH]80,[IFMULTI][disc]-[][track] [title][]

[garym]

Re: Beginner question on dynamic naming

and mp3tag now has a Mac version as well. Not free but has 7 day trial.

https://mp3tag.app/

[schmidj]

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JohnnyB, what file format are you ripping to? FLAC? mp3? m4a? Possibly you said above, but on a PC? A Mac? There are some differences in tags between the different file formats.

Also, you might find it educational (if you are using a PC) to install a free program called mp3tag and look at some of your files to see what tags are there and what is stored in them. You can do that using the right click "dbpoweramp edit ID tags" option on a file, but sometimes it is clearer what you have in mp3tag. (Mp3tag works with just about all file formats, not just mp3's).

[garym]

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Ok. I tried changing album artist sort in the thread to artist sort and that didn't;t work in Audirvana. I may just have to change these settings in Audirvana. Is there any advantage to having both album artist sort and artist sort in the naming string? Thanks for all you your help. I really want to get this ripping underway in earnest. Patience, patience ...

And again, Audionirvana is likely NOT using the file name anyhow, it is likely using the TAG info. Do you have ARTIST SORT tag field completed in the files so that Audionirvana can use the info. Respectfully, I'm still not sure you are getting the difference between file NAME (which is just used in organizing your files in a directory on your computer) and file TAGS, which are used by most programs to sort, browse, search, etc. We typically try to name files based on our tags (so they make some sense to us when looking at files on a computer), but there is no required connection between name and tag info.

[garym]

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In the naming string, you should only have ONE of the following: Artist, Album Artist, Artist Sort, Album Artist Sort. Having more than one (unless there is an IF statement looking for one or the other) makes no sense to me, considering the key purpose of this is tell the program which subdirectory to put the album in. For me, I use Album Artist, if it exists, then Artist, if Album Artist doesn't exist (you can see this from my string posted earlier).

Did you figure out how to add the Album Artist Sort or Artist Sort tags to your files. And unlike naming string, it is perfectly ok, and maybe even recommended, to have ARTIST, ALBUM ARTIST, ALBUM ARTIST SORT, ARTIST SORT, all in your TAGS, even if in many cases the values of each tag field are identical. Can't hurt anything and gives you options depending on what your music server wants (or any future server you use).

[Johnnyb]

Re: Beginner question on dynamic naming

Ok. I tried changing album artist sort in the thread to artist sort and that didn't;t work in Audirvana. I may just have to change these settings in Audirvana. Is there any advantage to having both album artist sort and artist sort in the naming string? Thanks for all you your help. I really want to get this ripping underway in earnest. Patience, patience ...

[Johnnyb]

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What can I add to get the Artist Sort tag in there. I mean into Simbuns string. I think that may be what Audirvana needs to sort these correctly. This string changed the name of the file in my music folder, but not the "sort sa" field in Audirvana. Thanks.

John

[garym]

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Thanks everyone. I made a reply yesterday and it didn&*8217;t appear in the thread for some reason

I am beginning to understand how this works. I found a work around in Audirvana, but I want to get this tag info into the files as I rip them. I do realize that the file structure I see in my music file is not relevant. I realize that the metadata embedded in the file is what is important. I want the metadata to be correct in case I change music players at some point.

I am going to give Simbin&*8217;s naming string a try, since it uses the album artist sort tag. I&*8217;m not sure if I can save multiple naming strings in the set menu, but I&*8217;m going to give it a try today. I&*8217;ll rip a couple of CDs of different types and see how it goes.

Thanks again!

You can have as many naming strings saved as you want by having separate saved profiles. You need to give each ripping PROFILE a name, then select that profile when ripping.

[Johnnyb]

Re: Beginner question on dynamic naming

Thanks everyone. I made a reply yesterday and it didn&*8217;t appear in the thread for some reason

I am beginning to understand how this works. I found a work around in Audirvana, but I want to get this tag info into the files as I rip them. I do realize that the file structure I see in my music file is not relevant. I realize that the metadata embedded in the file is what is important. I want the metadata to be correct in case I change music players at some point.

I am going to give Simbin&*8217;s naming string a try, since it uses the album artist sort tag. I&*8217;m not sure if I can save multiple naming strings in the set menu, but I&*8217;m going to give it a try today. I&*8217;ll rip a couple of CDs of different types and see how it goes.

Thanks again!

[garym]

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Schmidj, I couldn't agree more with your statements Good to emphasize this..

[schmidj]

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Gary, I just want to make sure that the OP is clear that the file names (as set by the naming string) have nothing to do with how the tracks appear or are sorted in the majority of players. (Unless you choose "select by file/folder name, which is a really backwards way of using a player.) Probably the only remaining case where file names are important is playing files on a thumb drive in some (I assume by now) older automobiles.

As far as most players are concerned, you could just give each file a consecutive unique number, in one large directory, and the player would let you select the songs however you set it up, as almost all players sort and display tracks by what is in the tags, not the filenames. So many people don't understand this, and it is rarely explained well to "newbies". Not that I'd recommend just numbering the files, because it makes it hard to find a particular file in Windows Explorer or the Mac equivalent if you should want to, for instance to delete or edit it. But even with Windows Explorer, if the directory is defined as a media directory, Windows Explorer will display and can be sorted by tags you select (but only in the directory, not in sub-directories, AFAIK.

But the OP has not, from what I see, made clear how (s)he plans to play the music, what player and how the player is or would be set up. If the OP is actually using a player that uses tags to locate/arrange the displayed music, as most players do, then this whole naming effort is a wild goose chase. Better to make sure the tags are accurate and that the player is capable and set up to display the music in the manner the OP wants.

[Johnnyb]

Re: Beginner question on dynamic naming

I replied to a similar question here which should give you most of what you're looking for.

An example naming string would be:
[IFCOMP]Various Artists[][IF!COMP][tag]album artist sort[][]\[IF!COMP][GRAB]1,4,[year][] - [][album]\CD[SETLEN]2,48,,[disc][]\[track] - [title]

This relies on dBpoweramp (or you) supplying the album artist sort tag.

Thanks. So I replace default naming in the Dynamic Naming box with this? Should the album artist sort tag be "Coltrane, John"? Is there an FAQ on hoe to use the dynamic naming and sort tags?