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  • staxSR007

    • Aug 2017
    • 16

    Could a CD from 1986 be defective by design?

    This is a 1986 Pro-Arte classical CD, I'm unsure where it was pressed, it is Made in Japan. Might be Denon or JVC pressing.

    It's unable to be ripped in standard settings in dbpoweramp's Secure mode but does rip fine in Defective By Design, this is in 3 different CD drives though all of them are laptop drives. EAC secure test & copy won't even make it past the first track, it will just get stuck on the first track with sync error appearing.

    Is there a way to generate a log so I could add it here?
  • Spoon
    Administrator
    • Apr 2002
    • 44509

    #2
    Re: Could a CD from 1986 be defective by design?

    It is unlikely, more likely the disc has degraded.
    Spoon
    www.dbpoweramp.com

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    • staxSR007

      • Aug 2017
      • 16

      #3
      Re: Could a CD from 1986 be defective by design?

      Originally posted by Spoon
      It is unlikely, more likely the disc has degraded.
      The disc appears pristine and this occurs with two different copies of the exact same album, I got it exchanged with the seller that had some old stock. This is the CD in question:
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      • mville
        dBpoweramp Guru

        • Dec 2008
        • 4021

        #4
        Re: Could a CD from 1986 be defective by design?

        Originally posted by staxSR007
        It's unable to be ripped in standard settings in dbpoweramp's Secure mode
        What does unable to be ripped mean exactly (please post any error messages).

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        • staxSR007

          • Aug 2017
          • 16

          #5
          Re: Could a CD from 1986 be defective by design?

          Originally posted by mville
          What does unable to be ripped mean exactly (please post any error messages).
          There is no AccurateRip entry for this disc so it goes to Ultra Secure then does 6 passes of ripping and then says "re-ripping 5000 frames".

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          • mville
            dBpoweramp Guru

            • Dec 2008
            • 4021

            #6
            Re: Could a CD from 1986 be defective by design?

            Originally posted by staxSR007
            There is no AccurateRip entry for this disc so it goes to Ultra Secure then does 6 passes of ripping and then says "re-ripping 5000 frames".
            ... and when ripped using Defective By Design, you say it rips fine, so does fine mean you get an accuraterip?

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            • staxSR007

              • Aug 2017
              • 16

              #7
              Re: Could a CD from 1986 be defective by design?

              Originally posted by mville
              ... and when ripped using Defective By Design, you say it rips fine, so does fine mean you get an accuraterip?
              Rips fine as in it sounds alright when playing the FLAC files, ie there are no pops, clicks, etc.

              Defective by design doesn't generate a log, at least one that I am able to see. And if it says AccurateRip not present in the database, how would I know if it was an AccurateRip?

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              • Dat Ei
                dBpoweramp Guru

                • Feb 2014
                • 1786

                #8
                Re: Could a CD from 1986 be defective by design?

                If it is not in the AccurateRip database, it can't be an AccurateRip - simple as this. But it doesn't mean that the rip can't be errorfree. You just can't check it with the database.


                Dat Ei

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