Unsolved problem: dbpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

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Hello everybody out in this world!
I think every user of dBpoweramp nows about this. You have a cd in mint condition. You rip this cd and everthing looks fine, until you listen to this cd.
And you hear for exampel a short drop out. Because the cd was ripped without any problems, and is playable on a cd player without error, it must be a
manufacturing error on the master. To buy the cd again, or to try another external cd drive will be worthless. When will dBpoweramp solve this problem?
I think its a shame that a modern software cannot handle this kind of errors, for example with a special rip modus who don't use AccurateRip and instead
interpolates errors like a cd player.

[Spoon]

Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

It is the CD drive which is supposed to interpolate, try a different cd drive, some do it well, some do it poorly (and give clicks).

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Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

It is the CD drive which is supposed to interpolate, try a different cd drive, some do it well, some do it poorly (and give clicks).

Hello Spoon, thank you for your answer. When i have a CD drive that not interpolate correct and i get a rip with errors, why i don't have error reports when my rip is checked with all the others
in the AccurateRip database?

[Spoon]

Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

If the rip verified with accuraterip then it is likely there were no errors, and the error was a mastering (not manufacturing) defect.

Post the secure ripping log please for that disc.

[mville]

Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

When i have a CD drive that not interpolate correct and i get a rip with errors, why i don't have error reports when my rip is checked with all the others
in the AccurateRip database?

If you aren't getting error reports, how do you know the rip has errors?

[catflap]

Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

If you aren't getting error reports, how do you know the rip has errors?

I now that the rip have errors, when i play it from my audio server and i hear them.

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Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

Information converting to Wave, 'Track 1' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/01 James Brown US - Introduction.wav'
Track 1: Ripped LBA 33 to 2338 (0:30) in 0:08. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/01 James Brown US - Introduction._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 16) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 2BB2AD42 AccurateRip CRC: 44987B37 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-1]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv2 44987b37]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 7 [CRCv1 57743a1d]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 29 [CRCv2 7a65ddf5], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv1 8e206f57], Using Pressing Offset -338
Information converting to Wave, 'Track 2' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/02 James Brown US - Think.wav'
Track 2: Ripped LBA 2338 to 15385 (2:53) in 0:45. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/02 James Brown US - Think._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 68B06844 AccurateRip CRC: 0AF470DC (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-2]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 17 [CRCv2 af470dc]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 6 [CRCv1 c024f861]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 29 [CRCv2 ad5d2484], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv1 8a913ecf], Using Pressing Offset -338
Information converting to Wave, 'Track 3' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/03 James Brown US - I Want to Be Around.wav'
Track 3: Ripped LBA 15385 to 29875 (3:13) in 0:46. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/03 James Brown US - I Want to Be Around._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 0FE3DAE8 AccurateRip CRC: 7E21361A (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-3]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 15 [CRCv2 7e21361a]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 7 [CRCv1 5ac63052]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 29 [CRCv2 ae34bd8a], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv1 c049f73b], Using Pressing Offset -338
Information converting to Wave, 'Track 4' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/04 James Brown US - Thanks.wav'
Track 4: Ripped LBA 29875 to 34770 (1:05) in 0:14. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/04 James Brown US - Thanks._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 16) [Pass 1]
CRC32: C36D0D5D AccurateRip CRC: 3F39A933 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-4]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv2 3f39a933]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 7 [CRCv1 e62d700e]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 28 [CRCv2 52d96a0c], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv1 e5d8bc62], Using Pressing Offset -338
Information converting to Wave, 'Track 5' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/05 James Brown US - That's Life.wav'
Track 5: Ripped LBA 34770 to 53305 (4:07) in 0:53. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/05 James Brown US - That's Life._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15) [Pass 1]
CRC32: CCABEDC5 AccurateRip CRC: 6A5ABD5B (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-5]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 15 [CRCv2 6a5abd5b]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 7 [CRCv1 cd7c8337]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 29 [CRCv2 9c7cbfeb], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv1 14017454], Using Pressing Offset -338
Information converting to Wave, 'Track 6' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/06 James Brown US - Kansas City.wav'
Track 6: Ripped LBA 53305 to 70880 (3:54) in 0:47. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/06 James Brown US - Kansas City._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 5B411848 AccurateRip CRC: D2251C07 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-6]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 15 [CRCv2 d2251c07]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 fda7a3ea]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 29 [CRCv2 3a059f5], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv1 c4d980dc], Using Pressing Offset -338
Information converting to Wave, 'Track 7' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/07 James Brown US - Let Yourself Go.wav'
Track 7: Ripped LBA 70880 to 88920 (4:00) in 0:45. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/07 James Brown US - Let Yourself Go._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15) [Pass 1]
CRC32: B0B123E3 AccurateRip CRC: 5F61148D (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-7]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 15 [CRCv2 5f61148d]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 537b786b]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 28 [CRCv2 feec8169], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 15 [CRCv1 d4fabc13], Using Pressing Offset -338
Information converting to Wave, 'Track 8' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/08 James Brown US - There Was a Time.wav'
Track 8: Ripped LBA 88920 to 108310 (4:18) in 0:46. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/08 James Brown US - There Was a Time._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 16) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 850E6E30 AccurateRip CRC: 4191CCDA (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-8]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv2 4191ccda]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 b0c39095]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 29 [CRCv2 c9a1b70c], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv1 327a1c18], Using Pressing Offset -338
Information converting to Wave, 'Track 9' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/09 James Brown US - I Feel All Right.wav'
Track 9: Ripped LBA 108310 to 133250 (5:32) in 0:55. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/09 James Brown US - I Feel All Right._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 16) [Pass 1]
CRC32: E1A25BFA AccurateRip CRC: 604DEFAC (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-9]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv2 604defac]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 8 [CRCv1 1597dfd]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 29 [CRCv2 13eb4f82], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 16 [CRCv1 c2320560], Using Pressing Offset -338
Information converting to Wave, 'Track 10' to '/Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/10 James Brown US - Cold Sweat.wav'
Track 10: Ripped LBA 133250 to 154245 (4:39) in 0:44. Filename: /Users/nastyaccount/Music/dBpoweramp CD's/James Brown/Live At the Apollo, Vol. 1/10 James Brown US - Cold Sweat._
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 8160FE54 AccurateRip CRC: 7C324FE6 (CRCv2) [DiscID: 010-000a8c6f-0059a75d-7908080a-10]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 17 [CRCv2 7c324fe6]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 7 [CRCv1 d2667e96]
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 28 [CRCv2 50dd7457], Using Pressing Offset -338
AccurateRip Verified Confidence 15 [CRCv1 1b387ca1], Using Pressing Offset -338

[Spoon]

Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

I would say this rip has no errors, try playing with a known good player on the PC, such as foobar2000.

Also did you have any DSP effects running whilst ripping?

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Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

[QUOTE=Spoon;192463]If the rip verified with accuraterip then it is likely there were no errors, and the error was a mastering (not manufacturing) defect.

Post the secure ripping log please for that disc.[/QUOTE

When it was a mastering error, i can't rip this CD without this error? And i must listen this cd from my audio server with this error? And my 30 years old cd player plays it without problems?
Is it right that using a different cd drive for ripping will not solve this problem?

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Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

I would say this rip has no errors, try playing with a known good player on the PC, such as foobar2000.

Also did you have any DSP effects running whilst ripping?

No DSP effects. I can play this cd without problems with iTunes on my mac.

[mville]

Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

I now that the rip have errors, when i play it from my audio server and i hear them.

Perhaps your audio server has a playback problem. The log you posted earlier suggests no problem with the rip.

It is possible that your assumption that there is manufacturing error may be incorrect.

[catflap]

Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

Perhaps your audio server has a playback problem. The log you posted earlier suggests no problem with the rip.

It is possible that your assumption that there is manufacturing error may be incorrect.

My audio server has no reading/writing and playback problems. I think the problem is how AccurateRip works: it doesn't check/scans a rip active for errors, it only compares the complete data of a cd with other rips. When the data is the same the rip is accurate. But this method will not work with cd's who are all produced with the same error(s). The result will always this: same data, no errors, accurate! I know not many cd's have this problem ( in my collection 3 of 400 ) but i can not accept that i use the newest technology for listening music and i must live with such playback problems. Thank's god i didn't sell my old cd player...

[Spoon]

Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

>Then the data is the same the rip is accurate. But this method will not work with cd's who are all produced with the same error(s).

If the label release every CD with an error in the audio (a recording or mastering error), how can any system detect this error?

[mville]

Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

My audio server has no reading/writing and playback problems. I think the problem is how AccurateRip works: it doesn't check/scans a rip active for errors, it only compares the complete data of a cd with other rips. When the data is the same the rip is accurate. But this method will not work with cd's who are all produced with the same error(s).

CD Ripper is a redbook audio CD ripping application. The goal here is to use CD Ripper/AccurateRip to get bit perfect rips, which you are getting. There is no problem with CD Ripper OR AccurateRip.

Now, IF there is a recording/mastering/manufacturing problem, IMO that is not anything ripping software should try to fix, otherwise we will not get bit perfect rips. If the problem is significant, I would contact with the Record Company/Label who released the CD.

If your audio server does not interpolate errors the same way that your CD player does, perhaps you could contact the software/hardware developer and ask them why?

By the way, please can you list the 3 or 4 CDs you say contain recording/mastering/manufacturing errors (include year, territory and label of release)?

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Re: Unsolved problem: dBpoweramp can not rip cd's with manufacturing errors

>Then the data is the same the rip is accurate. But this method will not work with cd's who are all produced with the same error(s).

If the label release every CD with an error in the audio (a recording or mastering error), how can any system detect this error?

It seems a CD player can do this. My CD player plays this CDs without problems, when i play the same CD from my audio server i hear the errors.