RE: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

As has been suitably hinted at by Jailhouse, I do believe that you have gone from a very lean naming scheme, a week ago, where nearly everything you wanted, was keyed in for you, to creating a whole load of extra work. Of course you have choices to do this, and only you know, if the extra work is worth the effort.

Oggy,

Yes, it IS more work - I admit. But I feel it is worthwhile because I am interested in the HISTORY of music (Jazz); as well as having studied the life/work of Miles Davis for over 30 years. And, of, course, I will get quicker at typing everything in as time progresses.

Thanks,

Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

I really wouldn't get bogged down with individual recording session/live dates. As you know, these may be more than 1 year and are mostly never published.

FYI, the only dates I am concerned with are the original album release date and the re-issued/re-mastered album release date, as mentioned here:

You may want to consider using 2 date tags. One populated with original release/recording date and one populated with the CD release date. FYI, I use Year to hold the original release/recording date and Release Date to hold the CD release date. Your choice of what the date tags contain, may be dependant on the server/player software you use.

No, this is not correct (i.e. for different dates). I already mentioned this here, also:
RE: Ripping Level Question (help?)
Compilation is automatically set only if the artist tag differs on a CD.

Hi mville,

I started, as you kindly suggested, using: YEAR and RELEASE YEAR a couple of weeks ago thanks. And I am pleased I did. But, now that I have progressed a little with dBpa etc, a few other ideas popped up recently. I think the reason for me wanting to include the different dates on a recording stems from the fact that I used to study LP covers religiously to glean info. And even thought I disliked the small dimensions of a CD cover, I still used to try and read it fro cover to cover. And so - for me - not knowing the dates is going to irritate me I can safely predict. Incidentally, I have round that researching/cross/referencing details with the likes of Wiki is proving to be quite interesting!

Thanks for clarifying the 'compilation' issue. I must have gotten cross-wires when running my experiments.

Paul

[garym]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

Thanks Gary,

Well, this has kinda led onto somethin' else now!

And so, I am recently including the VENUE of where the concert/recording took place (in a self-created tag entitled: 'Performance').

Hence, track-1 reads:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1566[/ATTACH]

... and track-2:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1567[/ATTACH]

... and so forth.

I dare say that as expected, "<Various Performances>" correctly appears in the 'Meta-Data For All Tracks'?:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1568[/ATTACH]

But my main question is, please, what if I want to now add a 'Performance' tag to ALL of the 30 or so albums I have ripped to date?
Can this extra data be added via PerfectTUNES?:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1569[/ATTACH]

Or do I have to re-rip them all over?!

Many thanks.

There are hundreds of tags you might add. You probably need to quit your job and work 12 hours a day to actually do the work to sort all that out, but I guess it is a hobby that will keep you out of trouble.
p.s. If you're interested in venue, why not use the VENUE tag rather than PERFORMANCES. Sometimes this is available in the online metadata databases.

Regarding adding tags. First and foremost you should understand that one NEVER needs to re-rip CDs in order to edit/change/add tags. Tagging can always be changed post ripping. This is not what you would do with PerfectTunes (or at least I've never used it for that). Rather, you can edit tags album by album or track by track by simply going to windows explorer, highlighting all the tracks in the album or a single track then right clicking and selecting "Edit ID Tag". From there you can edit or add any tags you want.

There are also ways to do "Batch Editing" as well. In this case you would use dbpa batch converter. You'd run that, then select the files you are interested in editing, then for the "convert to" instead of choosing a CODEC such as mp3 or FLAC, you'd instead choose the option of ID TAG UPDATE (You may need to install that utility dsp from CODEC CENTRAL). Then within the settings for that you can do all sorts of things about tags.

[Oggy]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

The poor machine would go BOOM! after trying to decipher all the differences in tagging preferences and available tagging data.

Oggy,

Well now I can see how almost ADDICTIVE this tagging malarkey can be! You can literally go one forever! Maybe one day they will invent a machine which can - correctly - key everything in for us!

Paul

Hi Paul,

As has been suitably hinted at by Jailhouse, I do believe that you have gone from a very lean naming scheme, a week ago, where nearly everything you wanted, was keyed in for you, to creating a whole load of extra work. Of course you have choices to do this, and only you know, if the extra work is worth the effort.

My Led Zeppelin, The Song Remains The Same, was another infamous example, as literally one line of lyrics, or, a few notes of a solo, was edited, from multiple performances.

Strawberry Fields Forever, is another well known example.

Good luck!

Oggy

[Jailhouse]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

Maybe one day they will invent a machine which can - correctly - key everything in for us!

Paul

The poor machine would go BOOM! after trying to decipher all the differences in tagging preferences and available tagging data.

[mville]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

So you would only use the 'compilation' tag if the CD album was (say): "The Fabulous Hits of the 1960s"? (ie. this would be classed as a 'various artists' album).

Correct.

I would like to consider the Miles "Star People" album as a non-compilation because I don't actually consider a mish-mash. Personally, I view it as being something like (pardon the ad hoc analogy!): lets say that The Beatles "Sergeant Pepper" recording was recorded in two locations, and in two different years. A studio in Germany in 1965, and a studio in London in 1966. So, even though Side-A and Side-B were recorded separately, the album, as a WHOLE, is ONE concept album.

I really wouldn't get bogged down with individual recording session/live dates. As you know, these may be more than 1 year and are mostly never published.

FYI, the only dates I am concerned with are the original album release date and the re-issued/re-mastered album release date, as mentioned here: RE: Ripping Level Question (help?)

I have noticed that (over the past couple of weeks), dBpa assumes the CD is a compilation (checking the box automatically) if: the CD was recorded on many different dates (as in "Star People"), and when the CD features a 'guest artist' (eg. "Dolly Parton featuring Kenny Rodgers").

No, this is not correct (i.e. for different dates).
I already mentioned this here, also: RE: Ripping Level Question (help?)
Compilation is automatically set only if the artist tag differs on a CD.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

Thanks Gary,

Well, this has kinda led onto somethin' else now!

And so, I am recently including the VENUE of where the concert/recording took place (in a self-created tag entitled: 'Performance').

Hence, track-1 reads:



... and track-2:



... and so forth.

I dare say that as expected, "<Various Performances>" correctly appears in the 'Meta-Data For All Tracks'?:



But my main question is, please, what if I want to now add a 'Performance' tag to ALL of the 30 or so albums I have ripped to date?
Can this extra data be added via PerfectTUNES?:



Or do I have to re-rip them all over?!

Many thanks.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

Yes, I agree, there really is a lot to be said, for keeping it simple. Less work, less scope for errors, and simpler naming, look neater, and better reflect the title on the CD.

Oggy,

Well now I can see how almost ADDICTIVE this tagging malarkey can be! You can literally go one forever! Maybe one day they will invent a machine which can - correctly - key everything in for us!

Paul

[garym]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

There is another Q/screengrab tagged to the foot of 'post *9' above - if you will, please.

Yes, that's correct and OK.

[Oggy]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

Cheers Oggy,

Yes, I would tend to agree with you on the Neil Young tag choices.

Because the 'compilations' box was being checked in a few certain instances, I assumed that I had done something wrong! And so I wanted to check first with everyone before moving forward with my mountain of ripping.

I don't think I want to go to the extent of including 'Song Title' because I already have enough settings on my plate to handle!

Thanks.

Yes, I agree, there really is a lot to be said, for keeping it simple. Less work, less scope for errors, and simpler naming, look neater, and better reflect the title on the CD.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

Yes, the Album Metadata YEAR *has* to change to various, because there is not a single value for year associated with that Album. But if Compilation is ticked, I'd untick it.
EDIT: And it's not changing your year values....they are what you entered. It's just temporarily displaying "various" in the overall listing, because there is more than one value.

That's great Gary.

Thanks.

There is another Q/screengrab tagged to the foot of 'post *9' above - if you will, please.

Paul

[garym]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

Howdy!

OK, thanks guys. I have just tested out specifying different years for each track (ie. Miles Davis "Star People").

So, for track-1 meta-data I added the 'Year' of '1982':

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1562[/ATTACH]

And similarly, '1983' for track-2:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1563[/ATTACH]

And, low and behold, for the 'Album Meta-Data' the 'Year' field automatically changes to "<Various>":

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1564[/ATTACH]

Is this all well and good, please?

Paul

Yes, the Album Metadata YEAR *has* to change to various, because there is not a single value for year associated with that Album. But if Compilation is ticked, I'd untick it.
EDIT: And it's not changing your year values....they are what you entered. It's just temporarily displaying "various" in the overall listing, because there is more than one value.

[garym]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

Gary,

Thanks for confirming.

Oh I see, so you included the 'date' within parenthesis alongside the 'Album Title'?:



Paul

This is all in the ALBUM tag. I do this because I have the Beatles's Rubber Soul from the original 1987 CDs, I have Rubber Soul in Stereo from the 2009 Stereo Box, and I have Rubber Soul in Mono from the 2009 Mono Box. So when I'm browsing Beatles CDs in my music server by album title, I want to know which I'm choosing (the 1987, the 2009 Stereo, or the 2009 Mono). In my case for the original 1987 CDs, I simply have "Rubber Soul" in the ALBUM tag.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

I've never seen the date issue (then again, I assign only one date to my CD rips (the date the original album was released in most cases; if there is some sort of remastering, I'll put that in the title (e.g., "Rubber Soul (Mono 2009)". But yes, dbpa assumes that an album is a compilation if any of the tracks have a differing ARTIST. In these cases (where I don't want compilation) I simply untick the tag and make sure I have the ALBUM ARTIST set to the primary artist.

Gary,

Thanks for confirming.

Oh I see, so you included the 'date' within parenthesis alongside the 'Album Title'?:

... if there is some sort of remastering, I'll put that in the title (e.g., "Rubber Soul (Mono 2009)".

Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Defining 'Compilation' (help?)

Howdy!

OK, thanks guys. I have just tested out specifying different years for each track (ie. Miles Davis "Star People").

So, for track-1 meta-data I added the 'Year' of '1982':



And similarly, '1983' for track-2:



And, low and behold, for the 'Album Meta-Data' the 'Year' field automatically changes to "<Various>":



Is this all well and good, please?

Paul

NB. On the 'Manual Meta Review' page, 'Year' is shown as "<different>" rather than "<Various>"?: