RE: Ripping Level Question (help?)

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

a. on your dbpa ripper page, in the bottom center, click on the DSP tab. Then "add" a DSP and choose ReplayGain (note, do not choose ReplayGain (Apply)...that's something different).

b. click on the settings next to ReplayGain DSP, and I suggest adding Track and Album tags.

c. click on advanced and follow my picture. (-18, and don't tick the clipping option)

Gary, Many thanks. I am fairly sure I have followed your kind directions:









But, do I need to set this each and every time I perform a CD rip in 'dBpa', please? And also, will I now need to re-rip the CDs I have already done earlier this week (ie. without 'RG')?

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

1. replaygain is a way for "replaygain aware" players (and there are many, including foobar2000) to automatically adjust the volume difference between tracks or albums. You may have noticed that some CDs are very loud and some are quiet. So if one is playing tracks from different albums on shuffle, you'd be changing the volume often. ReplayGain (RG) tries to mitigate this. Read about it here:
http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=ReplayGain

Gary - I just read the article, thanks. Initially, I assumed this was just 'Normalizing', but I can see that it is different in the way it analyzes, and in the algorithm it applies.

I am sure that Apple iPods use something like this this (I don't have Apple)? Like 'Track-Checker', or 'Sound-Leveler'?

I learned a new word in that article: 'Parlance'!

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

I'll typically use the actual info of the CD I'm ripping, but then add some of the other info to the COMMENT field. There's no right answer here....everyone does it differently.

Gary - Well I was thinking of creating a 'LABEL' tag and (in the case of the LP and CD labels being different) stating (say):

'Columbia / Sony'

Meaning, it was originally on Columbia (in the 60s) but released - on CD - (in the 90s) on Sony.

This is because I think in terms of who the original Producer was and which label he was associated with. I could not care who Remastered it (but I don't mind knowing the new label name).

In the 'Comment' field, I reserve this for the 'Remaster Year (eg. 'Remastered - 2001'). Thanks.

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi - If an LP was released in the 1960s on (say) Columbia, and then the CD version of the same album was released in the 1990s on (say) Sony, then which LABEL do you use when 'tagging', please? Columbia or Sony?

And same question, please, for if a CD has been Remastered on a different label in (say) 2000's. Do you always stick with the original LP record company? Thanks.

I'll typically use the actual info of the CD I'm ripping, but then add some of the other info to the COMMENT field. There's no right answer here....everyone does it differently.

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Paul, Now that you're moving along with the basics of ripping/tagging/naming, I should bring up the issue of ReplayGain tags. I noticed from one of your screen shots that you are not using these. Most people eventually want these tags. First, the basics:

1. replaygain is a way for "replaygain aware" players (and there are many, including foobar2000) to automatically adjust the volume difference between tracks or albums. You may have noticed that some CDs are very loud and some are quiet. So if one is playing tracks from different albums on shuffle, you'd be changing the volume often. ReplayGain (RG) tries to mitigate this. Read about it here:

http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=ReplayGain

2. RG tags do NOT change the underlying audio. The rips are bit-perfect copies of the CD. RG simply adds tags containing information for a RG-aware player to use. These tags are no different from ARTIST, ALBUM, TRACK, etc. And if you never want to use them, you don't have to. But they are there just in case.

3. ReplayGain DSP is the only DSP I add when ripping CDs. I've attached some pictures to illustrate the following steps.

a. on your dbpa ripper page, in the bottom center, click on the DSP tab. Then "add" a DSP and choose ReplayGain (note, do not choose ReplayGain (Apply)...that's something different).

b. click on the settings next to ReplayGain DSP, and I suggest adding Track and Album tags.

c. click on advanced and follow my picture. (-18, and don't tick the clipping option)

Again, these are just tags. You don't have to use the info in these tags if you don't want. For example, in Foobar2000 there is a player setting that tells the player whether to use track, album, or "follow playback" RG mode. Follow playback is nice as it automatically uses "Album" tag if you are playing an entire album or "Track" if you are playing songs from different albums.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27403489/CropperCapture%5B1%5D.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27403489/CropperCapture%5B2%5D.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27403489/CropperCapture%5B3%5D.jpg

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi - If an LP was released in the 1960s on (say) Columbia, and then the CD version of the same album was released in the 1990s on (say) Sony, then which LABEL do you use when 'tagging', please? Columbia or Sony?

And same question, please, for if a CD has been Remastered on a different label in (say) 2000's. Do you always stick with the original LP record company? Thanks.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi,

I have ripped the following Miles Davis track three times now because I kept noticing a glitch (in the Trumpet and Sax). I kept thinking it was a corrupt-file, but then Accurate-Rip kept approving it. I swear I have never noticed this in 30 x years!

It happens once at about 0:49 and then a few seconds again at 1.19. So I looked it up on You Tube and the glitch is there also!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noUs3NfC07o&list=PL213E94675102E81F

Thanks,

Paul

[Oggy]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Oggy,

If you mean weeding out all of the off-topic comments buried withing the 17 x pages of this thread - so as to produce a definitive version - then I think that would be a great idea.

I am not sure if Mr Spoon would have to perform this or if you, yourself, have this ability through Moderator status?

Paul

Hi Paul,

I'm simply a dBpoweramp user like you. I simply try and remember, how I felt, and what I was unsure about, a couple of years ago, when I started ripping, my CDs.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

I wouldn't say I gave great consideration to it, but I knew that I wanted to replicate, how I had displayed my LPs, for 30+(+!) years.

I struggled with this concept early days. Apart from not having a naming scheme, that automatically handles, singles, multis and Compilations, not having a player, I focused on folders. From reading other people's posts, and your thread, it seems that I was not alone in this.

In Don's thread, I believe, Set-Up for Ripping, in the absence of a player, garym recommended using Foobar2000, to show how a player handles the files. Together with the naming scheme, this is such sound advice. I for one, would have reached a better solution, far quicker, using a real-world display, which is far smarter, than I, with how it treats Disc 1, Disc 2, Disc 3, etc. I didn't need to join the CDs, the player does for you. This was my Eureka, moment: it may well be others, too.

Hi,

As a teenager, I only had a fairly small vinyl collection to be honest. Maybe 30 x LP's at that. I did have a lot of cassettes though, and preferred these.

I will have another question regarding 'compilation' type CDs but this can wait until I get to that particular stage. The question will relate to 'tagging'.

I have only played my old (original) mp3/wma collection through 'Foobar' as yet. But I may use it to double-check my newly ripped FLACS are playing/displaying correctly.

Oh btw, Sony just called and have told me to send in the Walkman for repair!

Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Obviously, most people want to get it right first time, and I was thinking of getting the main considerations together in one thread, to hopefully help achieve that aim. You have covered so much in your thread, and with the screenshots, got an excellent procedure going. Many of these tweaks, whilst not a disaster, make changes later, less likely, and closer to achieving the, right first time goal.

Oggy,

If you mean weeding out all of the off-topic comments buried withing the 17 x pages of this thread - so as to produce a definitive version - then I think that would be a great idea.

I am not sure if Mr Spoon would have to perform this or if you, yourself, have this ability through Moderator status?

Paul

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Welcome back Gary,

Everyone missed you!

Yes, please feel free to direct any newbies to my screenshots etc.

Paul

I posted some foobar2000 stuff in your other thread on windows/foobar/etc.

[Oggy]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Welcome back Gary,

Everyone missed you!

Yes, please feel free to direct any newbies to my screenshots etc.

Paul

Agree to all!

[Oggy]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

...and also you have to give great consideration towards what it is that you want to achieve.

The double-CD concept did take me some time to get my thick skull around - at first I did not really want to choose this system - but now I can see it's value. To me, it's much better to have all of a boxset under one Folder, rather than: 'Disc-1', 'Disc-2', 'Disc-3', ... which just clogs up your playing device with surplus Folders.

I wouldn't say I gave great consideration to it, but I knew that I wanted to replicate, how I had displayed my LPs, for 30+(+!) years.

I struggled with this concept early days. Apart from not having a naming scheme, that automatically handles, singles, multis and Compilations, not having a player, I focused on folders. From reading other people's posts, and your thread, it seems that I was not alone in this.

In Don's thread, I believe, Set-Up for Ripping, in the absence of a player, garym recommended using Foobar2000, to show how a player handles the files. Together with the naming scheme, this is such sound advice. I for one, would have reached a better solution, far quicker, using a real-world display, which is far smarter, than I, with how it treats Disc 1, Disc 2, Disc 3, etc. I didn't need to join the CDs, the player does for you. This was my Eureka, moment: it may well be others, too.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Agree with Oggy on this! And wow, this thread has really grown in my week traveling away from my PC. Good stuff. And as Oggy says, we can point a lot of newcomers to this thread in the future and say "read this, then come back with specific questions".

Welcome back Gary,

Everyone missed you!

Yes, please feel free to direct any newbies to my screenshots etc.

Paul

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi Paul,

It definitely gets quicker after the first few, once everything, becomes second nature.

Obviously, most people want to get it right first time, and I was thinking of getting the main considerations together in one thread, to hopefully help achieve that aim. You have covered so much in your thread, and with the screenshots, got an excellent procedure going. Many of these tweaks, whilst not a disaster, make changes later, less likely, and closer to achieving the, right first time goal.

Hopefully this can help people in a similar position.

Other folk may have additional, or different, needs, particularly for Classical, and I for one could learn from others ideas and solutions.

Oggy

Agree with Oggy on this! And wow, this thread has really grown in my week traveling away from my PC. Good stuff. And as Oggy says, we can point a lot of newcomers to this thread in the future and say "read this, then come back with specific questions".