RE: Ripping Level Question (help?)

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi, Can I lose: 'Period' and 'Soloists', please? I guess they are mainly for Classical? I can certainly live without either of them:



Not sure what: ' Custom' is though?:

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Gary, So should I just leave it as it is? You are probably going to say it's all about "options!" I mean, if I did want to include them then do I just TICK the appropriate boxes in the "Meta Data ID Tag" window (as per screenshot 2 above)? And, assuming they will then automatically appear in the "Meta Data for all Tracks" window (as per screenshot 1 above), what data would you fill in, please? Just the Artists name for both fields?: "Davis, Miles". Thanks.

Yes, tick those items in Meta Data ID Tag, but I suspect they rarely automatically populate when ripping. You need to manually enter the value you want in the sort tags.

[mville]

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Sorting under "J" is incorrect, as "Jo" is not part of Spears' surname. This artist should be in either the B section or the S section.

Incorrect, according to who? Who states the artist should be in the B section or S section?

Although I would personally sort artist Billie Jo Spears under S and would advise this, users are able to put what they want in the artist sort tag, so I have to disagree. It is not question of right and wrong here, but of personal choice.

[Oggy]

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Sorting under "J" is incorrect, as "Jo" is not part of Spears' surname. This artist should be in either the B section or the S section.

(I could say that anything else is BS, but that would be rude.)

Totally agree with this.

One of the few exceptions I've seen in music libraries, is, Ralph Vaughan Williams.

There is no hyphen, but:

Sorting under surname, then, V = Vaughan Williams, Ralph

Sorting under Christian name, then, R = Ralph Vaughan Williams

I didn't use Artist Sort in the above, because some would use Composer, and Composer Sort.

Classical tagging, in the absence of accepted standards, is even more open to personal preferences.

[Jailhouse]

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It depends on how you want to sort Billie Jo Spears?

You can sort however you wish, but using this example I would guess you have 3 options:
sorting under B, then Artist Sort = Billie Jo Spears
sorting under J, then Artist Sort = Jo Spears, Billie
sorting under S, then Artist Sort = Spears, Billie Jo

Sorting under "J" is incorrect, as "Jo" is not part of Spears' surname. This artist should be in either the B section or the S section.

(I could say that anything else is BS, but that would be rude.)

[Jailhouse]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

@monsterjack

Just to prove that we do, indeed, have multitudinous options: In my digital library, Album Artist tags, which I sort on, are first name/last name for individuals, "The [band name]" for bands named that way and, for the most part, "Various Artists" for compilations. Exceptions for the last are generally for box sets like Eric Clapton: Crossroads, which lists tracks under whatever artist name they were released under; the Album Artist is "Eric Clapton" so as to keep the set with his other releases.

Now when it comes to my CD library, bands like The Who and The Cars are filed under W and C, respectively. That's how I've always done it, and that's what I expect. But I expect computers to sort as they do, so I let mine have its way and don't bother with sort tags. I have the bonus of one less thing to think about as I go about my ripping.

Obviously, this works for me. Do whatever works for you.

[mville]

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But what if, say, the Artist has three parts to their name, please? Like: Bille Jo Spears?

It depends on how you want to sort Billie Jo Spears?

You can sort however you wish, but using this example I would guess you have 3 options:
sorting under B, then Artist Sort = Billie Jo Spears
sorting under J, then Artist Sort = Jo Spears, Billie
sorting under S, then Artist Sort = Spears, Billie Jo

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

There are some tags that have a corresponding sort tag, the most common being:
Title and Title Sort
Album and Album Sort
Artist and Artist Sort
Album Artist and Album Artist Sort
Composer and Composer Sort
Conductor and Conductor Sort
Soloists and Soloists Sort

If you choose to populate the sort tags (and I do, except Title) then:
If Artist = Miles Davis then Artist Sort = Davis, Miles
If Album Artist = Miles Davis then Album Artist Sort = Davis, Miles

Mville, Great stuff, thanks. But what if, say, the Artist has three parts to their name, please? Like: Bille Jo Spears?

[mville]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

So would you write "Davis, Miles" in both the: 'ARTIST SORT' and 'ALBUM ARTIST SORT' tags, please? (not referring to the 'ARTIST' tag here).

There are some tags that have a corresponding sort tag, the most common being:
Title and Title Sort
Album and Album Sort
Artist and Artist Sort
Album Artist and Album Artist Sort
Composer and Composer Sort
Conductor and Conductor Sort
Soloists and Soloists Sort

If you choose to populate the sort tags (and I do, except Title) then:
If Artist = Miles Davis then Artist Sort = Davis, Miles
If Album Artist = Miles Davis then Album Artist Sort = Davis, Miles

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Thanks guys, So would you write "Davis, Miles" in both the: 'ARTIST SORT' and 'ALBUM ARTIST SORT' tags, please? (not referring to the 'ARTIST' tag here). Cheers, Paul

[Oggy]

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He would put "Miles Davis" in the ARTIST tag and "Davis, Miles" in the ARTISTSORT tag. That way the player would show you the artist when playing as "Miles Davis" but when he goes to his library to browse, he would find the files under "Davis, Miles" (with the Ds).

Exactly! John Lennon, is displayed next to, Julian Lennon.

[garym]

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Oggy, Lol! So do you write "Miles, Davis" or "Davis, Miles", please? Cheers.

He would put "Miles Davis" in the ARTIST tag and "Davis, Miles" in the ARTISTSORT tag. That way the player would show you the artist when playing as "Miles Davis" but when he goes to his library to browse, he would find the files under "Davis, Miles" (with the Ds).

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

And I use sort tags, because I do the opposite., Miles Davis, displayed as Miles Davis, filed under, D. This is how I've always displayed my LPs.

We have a choice!

Oggy, Lol! So do you write "Miles, Davis" or "Davis, Miles", please? Cheers.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Many people find the "sort" tags very useful. I never used these. Long ago, I just adjusted my thinking to looking for things based on full name. So for Willie Nelson, I look under W. For Miles Davis I look under M. I file all my CDs in cabinets using the same approach (to match my digital files). None of this hurts my searching. In my players, I can simply type Miles Davis or Willie Nelson and it takes me to the right things.

Gary, So should I just leave it as it is? You are probably going to say it's all about "options!" I mean, if I did want to include them then do I just TICK the appropriate boxes in the "Meta Data ID Tag" window (as per screenshot 2 above)? And, assuming they will then automatically appear in the "Meta Data for all Tracks" window (as per screenshot 1 above), what data would you fill in, please? Just the Artists name for both fields?: "Davis, Miles". Thanks.

[Oggy]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Many people find the "sort" tags very useful. I never used these. Long ago, I just adjusted my thinking to looking for things based on full name. So for Willie Nelson, I look under W. For Miles Davis I look under M. I file all my CDs in cabinets using the same approach (to match my digital files). None of this hurts my searching. In my players, I can simply type Miles Davis or Willie Nelson and it takes me to the right things.

And I use sort tags, because I do the opposite., Miles Davis, displayed as Miles Davis, filed under, D. This is how I've always displayed my LPs.

We have a choice!