RE: Ripping Level Question (help?)

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi,

Regarding ARTIST and ALBUM ARTIST, please, I am thinkin' of modifying what I have been doing originally! I read some pages back about how (I think it was Oggy?) someone made a distinction between different sized ensembles of the same bandleader.

So, I have written (for ARTIST and ALBUM ARTIST): 'Miles Davis' in both fields. But now, in hindsight, I wish I had included then size of the ensemble:

eg. 'Miles Davis Sextet', 'Miles Davis Quintet', etc.

But which field would this information go in, please? ARTIST or ALBUM ARTIST

Thanks,

Paul

I put the actual artist name for the CD in the ARTIST name (e.g., Miles Davis Sextet) and then put Miles Davis in ALBUM ARTIST. For example, for Doug Sahm, I might have any of these CDs by him under these names:

Sir Douglas Quintet
Doug Sahm & Band
Sir Douglas Quintet Plus 5
The Masked Men
and on and on.

But for all these, I use "Doug Sahm" in the ALBUM ARTIST.

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Cheers Gary, I did actually notice some slight blemishing on the CD when I looked closer. I only have 1 PC so no options for another drive, I am afraid. Paul

You can always add another drive to your existing PC. I use a second full size drive in a USB housing that I simply connect to my PC via USB cable.

Note that you will not necessarily see anything wrong with a CD. I've had brand new, out of the package, never played CDs that had ripping problems. Probably a minor manufacturing defect. Also keep in mind that I've had some rips where a track never got a secure rip, but yet a close listen seemed that it played OK. Keep in mind that what makes it insecure might only be a few frames, which could be .00001 of a second in time (just making that up, but think "tiny, tiny amount of time").

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi,

Regarding ARTIST and ALBUM ARTIST, please, I am thinkin' of modifying what I have been doing originally! I read some pages back about how (I think it was Oggy?) someone made a distinction between different sized ensembles of the same bandleader.

So, I have written (for ARTIST and ALBUM ARTIST): 'Miles Davis' in both fields. But now, in hindsight, I wish I had included then size of the ensemble:

eg. 'Miles Davis Sextet', 'Miles Davis Quintet', etc.

But which field would this information go in, please? ARTIST or ALBUM ARTIST

Thanks,

Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

It happens. Rereading frames us normal. I've had CDs take over an hour to rip. Clean the cd can help. Often I can simply try another drive. Some CDs that won't rip in one drive will rip in another. These don't need to be fancy. Sometimes an old drive pulled from a junked computer will rip a cd that my new modern drive won't handle.

Cheers Gary, I did actually notice some slight blemishing on the CD when I looked closer. I only have 1 PC so no options for another drive, I am afraid. Paul

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi,

I have been trying to rip a CD for about an hour now. The final track just won't complete. First, dBpa kept looping stating: 'ultra secure' (it tried about 8 of these! And now it it ripping in: 'Frames'?:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1573[/ATTACH]

I tried taking out the CD and wiping it. There are no scratches. First time this has happened.

Thanks,

Paul

It happens. Rereading frames us normal. I've had CDs take over an hour to rip. Clean the cd can help. Often I can simply try another drive. Some CDs that won't rip in one drive will rip in another. These don't need to be fancy. Sometimes an old drive pulled from a junked computer will rip a cd that my new modern drive won't handle.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

UPDATE: It has just managed to rip it (I think?):



Cheers,

Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi,

I have been trying to rip a CD for about an hour now. The final track just won't complete. First, dBpa kept looping stating: 'ultra secure' (it tried about 8 of these! And now it it ripping in: 'Frames'?:



I tried taking out the CD and wiping it. There are no scratches. First time this has happened.

Thanks,

Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

never noticed it. won't be trying to fix (not sure even possible). Not sure it's even an error (that is, how would foobar know which of the many artworks you want to show when you click on the album name, yet multiple artworks are associated with that single album name?) I'd say the way foobar handles it is actually the best approach...that is waiting until you click on a track so it can apply the artwork associated with that disc/track.

Gary, OK, fair enough. I will leave it then. Cheers.

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi Gary, Yes, that is 100% exactly what happens to me! Had you not noticed this before? Probably not if you have 1,000s of recordings! Will you be trying to rectify the issue, or will you just leave it as it is, please? Cheers, Paul.

never noticed it. won't be trying to fix (not sure even possible). Not sure it's even an error (that is, how would foobar know which of the many artworks you want to show when you click on the album name, yet multiple artworks are associated with that single album name?) I'd say the way foobar handles it is actually the best approach...that is waiting until you click on a track so it can apply the artwork associated with that disc/track.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

I played with this a bit (but didn't test exhaustively). It seems that in my foobar2000 setup, if I have a multidisk CD (album same name, with disc tags, 1, 2, 3 etc.) and I click on just the album title in the top listing in foobar, no art shows up. But if I click on a track (no need to actually play), then the artwork shows up. This is true whether i have the same or different art across the multiple discs.

Compare this to a single disc CD. Just clicking on the album name shows the art. No need to select a track. In all cases, my art is a single file within each DISC folder, named "cover.jpg".

Perhaps the reason is that with a single disc, foobar knows exactly which art to choose for the album. But with multiple discs (and an artwork file in each of the separate disc folders), foobar doesn't know which one to automatically display at the album level because it sees that there are (in my 3 disk case) 3 different art files. Once I click on a track, foobar is no longer confused as there is only one art file associated with that track (the one in that particular disc folder).

Hi Gary, Yes, that is 100% exactly what happens to me! Had you not noticed this before? Probably not if you have 1,000s of recordings! Will you be trying to rectify the issue, or will you just leave it as it is, please? Cheers, Paul.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

I think I saw you mention elsewhere something about having embedded art, but here you say you're using external art. If you have both, foobar is probably set to prefer embedded art. This is in Advanced Settings:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1554[/ATTACH]

I prefer external because I don't knowingly have embedded art and probably don't want it if it exists. Options!

Thanks JH, that was a good suggestion. Mine was actually set to "Prefer Larger" (it must be this by default):



I tried switching to the other two, but the artwork issue remains. If I had my Sony Walkman here I could test it out on that (because these results may only be occurring in Foobar). And so I think I will have to hold-fire with the double-CD ripping until I get it back. Then, if it works OK on there, I will know that the issue lies in Foobar. Paul.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Thanks a lot guys. I will have another test in the morning. Cheers.

[Jailhouse]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi, OK, the problem is - somehow - definitely 100% relating to me having more than one pieces of artwork for a recording. I have a piece of artwork for disc-1 (and saved in the disc-1 folder), and a different piece of artwork for disc-2 (and saved the disc-2 folder). I have tried this with three different double-CD recordings now, and the same thing happens with each. Now, I am not sure if this is the behavior of Foobar or not because I do not have another device to test it on here. But as I say, more than one image per CD is clearly causing something to go adrift. Cheers,

I think I saw you mention elsewhere something about having embedded art, but here you say you're using external art. If you have both, foobar is probably set to prefer embedded art. This is in Advanced Settings:



I prefer external because I don't knowingly have embedded art and probably don't want it if it exists. Options!

[garym]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi, OK, the problem is - somehow - definitely 100% relating to me having more than one pieces of artwork for a recording. I have a piece of artwork for disc-1 (and saved in the disc-1 folder), and a different piece of artwork for disc-2 (and saved the disc-2 folder). I have tried this with three different double-CD recordings now, and the same thing happens with each. Now, I am not sure if this is the behavior of Foobar or not because I do not have another device to test it on here. But as I say, more than one image per CD is clearly causing something to go adrift. Cheers,

I played with this a bit (but didn't test exhaustively). It seems that in my foobar2000 setup, if I have a multidisk CD (album same name, with disc tags, 1, 2, 3 etc.) and I click on just the album title in the top listing in foobar, no art shows up. But if I click on a track (no need to actually play), then the artwork shows up. This is true whether i have the same or different art across the multiple discs.

Compare this to a single disc CD. Just clicking on the album name shows the art. No need to select a track. In all cases, my art is a single file within each DISC folder, named "cover.jpg".

Perhaps the reason is that with a single disc, foobar knows exactly which art to choose for the album. But with multiple discs (and an artwork file in each of the separate disc folders), foobar doesn't know which one to automatically display at the album level because it sees that there are (in my 3 disk case) 3 different art files. Once I click on a track, foobar is no longer confused as there is only one art file associated with that track (the one in that particular disc folder).

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Ripping Level Question (help?)

Hi, OK, the problem is - somehow - definitely 100% relating to me having more than one pieces of artwork for a recording. I have a piece of artwork for disc-1 (and saved in the disc-1 folder), and a different piece of artwork for disc-2 (and saved the disc-2 folder). I have tried this with three different double-CD recordings now, and the same thing happens with each. Now, I am not sure if this is the behavior of Foobar or not because I do not have another device to test it on here. But as I say, more than one image per CD is clearly causing something to go adrift. Cheers,