dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

[garym]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

The mp3 format is also going to convert to wav, as it is written on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV. Please now what do I do with the plate Gina T. - 25th Anniversary. What do these three songs.

I'm not sure what you mean. Yes, any digital music file (mp3, aac, ogg, etc.) can be converted to a WAV file. That's the whole issue we're talking about there. Just because a file is lossless (WAV or FLAC, etc.) doesn't mean that it is not SOURCED from a lossy source like mp3. Heck, I can take a terrible low bitrate mp3 file and convert it to a WAV file. I can even convert it to a hi-res 24/192 file. But it will only be larger and not have any additional audio information that wasn't contained in the crappy original low-bitrate mp3 file.

[chess]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

Yes, wav is a "container" that is a holds a lossless version of the track that can be converted back losslessly to LPCM, which is what is on the CD. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV

As mville points out, one can never be sure what a producer of a CD actually used. It is all up to the honesty and reputation of the maker of the CDs. There are certainly CDs out there that are created from mp3 files. Not that many, but they do exist. Just as there are hi-res 24/192 tracks one can buy that are simply upconverted CD quality files (16/44.1), so this is a "fraud" as well.

The mp3 format is also going to convert to wav, as it is written on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV. Please now what do I do with the plate Gina T. - 25th Anniversary. What do these three songs.

[chess]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

Ah, OK. I think what you are asking is how can we be sure that the source material for an audio CD is not mp3 or similar.

Well, the simple answer is you can't. Maybe, Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon was mastered on cassette. We will never know, for sure. Often, the recording process is printed on the artwork, but that does not mean it is true.

It does not matter how the music is recorded/mixed/mastered, what matters is, does it sound any good.

... and audio CDs are not in wav format, just something very similar (equivalent) to wav.

So I understand that there are no programs that would have shown that the manufacturer of the disc you cheated. Note that when you buy a CD you pay for the highest sound quality and not the mp3.

[garym]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

Ah, OK. I think what you are asking is how can we be sure that the source material for an audio CD is not mp3 or similar.

Well, the simple answer is you can't. Maybe, Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon was mastered on cassette. We will never know, for sure. Often, the recording process is printed on the artwork, but that does not mean it is true.

It does not matter how the music is recorded/mixed/mastered, what matters is, does it sound any good.

... and audio CDs are not in wav format, just something very similar (equivalent) to wav.

Yes, wav is a "container" that is a holds a lossless version of the track that can be converted back losslessly to LPCM, which is what is on the CD. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV

As mville points out, one can never be sure what a producer of a CD actually used. It is all up to the honesty and reputation of the maker of the CDs. There are certainly CDs out there that are created from mp3 files. Not that many, but they do exist. Just as there are hi-res 24/192 tracks one can buy that are simply upconverted CD quality files (16/44.1), so this is a "fraud" as well.

[mville]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

You buy the disc and how you can be sure that the disc contains all the songs in the format Wav.

Ah, OK. I think what you are asking is how can we be sure that the source material for an audio CD is not mp3 or similar.

Well, the simple answer is you can't. Maybe, Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon was mastered on cassette. We will never know, for sure. Often, the recording process is printed on the artwork, but that does not mean it is true.

It does not matter how the music is recorded/mixed/mastered, what matters is, does it sound any good.

... and audio CDs are not in wav format, just something very similar (equivalent) to wav.

[chess]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

You buy the disc and how you can be sure that the disc contains all the songs in the format Wav.

[mville]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

What would you do as a CD was to track format mp3.

I'm still not sure what you are asking. However, redbook audio CDs (CD-DA or CDDA) are 2-channel 16-bit Linear PCM, sampled at 44,100 Hz and are not in mp3 format.

A data disc containing mp3 files is not the same as a standard redbook audio CD.

[chess]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

What would you do as a CD was to track format mp3.

[mville]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

Garym and mville I have a question. Buys a CD from where it is certain that on the CD, where it is certain that the disc contains songs in format wav, and not in another format. And what happens as a producer who has recorded a CD took a song from mp3 i used the song MP3 as an vaw.

Sorry, I don't understand this question.

[chess]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

At the outset, I thank you for all the post. Garym and mville I have a question. Buys a CD from where it is certain that on the CD, where it is certain that the disc contains songs in format wav, and not in another format. And what happens as a producer who has recorded a CD took a song from mp3 i used the song MP3 as an wav.

[mville]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

Please write again about what program to use to check ripping.

dBpoweramp and Exact Audio Copy are simply reading data off an optical disc, as a series of 1's and 0's. It is irrelevant what the data represents. What is important is that an exact copy of the data is transferred from the optical disc to the hard disc. Audio Checker does not check this at all.

To truly know the best ripping program, you would need to know exactly what data is on a CD and compare this to the ripped result. This is not possible as we do not know what is exactly on the CD. The next best thing, as described by garym, is ACCURATERIP.

As for the people that make the music in studios they are simply a reluctance them to do that the man had the highest format of the disc while listening to music.

This is utter rubbish and a terrible generalisation. It might be your experience, but I doubt you can speak for every music producer and artist that ever lived.

[garym]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

best program to check for bit perfect rips is ACCURATERIP. One can get an accuraterip match report when ripping with dbpa, EAC, cuetools, and a few others. If you have already ripped files (lossless), I'd use PerfectTunes to do an after the fact check comparison to ACCURATERIP database. One could use cuetools and foobar2000 for this as well, although with not the full implementation of PerfectTunes.

[chess]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

Audiochecker analyses frequencies to determine if the audio track has been encoded to mp3, but it is never 100% because it uses a simple if top frequency is less than a certain amount, it must be mp3 encoded.

If you have a store bought CD, then why would it have been encoded to mp3? also some masters have these frequency limitations in the redbook audio, it is nothing to do with the ripper used but how the CD was created by the audio engineer.

Please write again about what program to use to check ripping. As for the people that make the music in studios they are simply a reluctance them to do that the man had the highest format of the disc while listening to music.

[Spoon]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

Audiochecker analyses frequencies to determine if the audio track has been encoded to mp3, but it is never 100% because it uses a simple if top frequency is less than a certain amount, it must be mp3 encoded.

If you have a store bought CD, then why would it have been encoded to mp3? also some masters have these frequency limitations in the redbook audio, it is nothing to do with the ripper used but how the CD was created by the audio engineer.

[chess]

Re: dBpoweramp CD Ripper vs. EAC

AccurateRip will tell you if your rip was error free. Audiochecker is not a correct tool for determining quality of a CD you rip yourself.

Please write what is relevant threshold for determining the quality of a CD ripping up.