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  • BlackSt4R

    • Mar 2013
    • 8

    Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

    First of all, wonderful product. Would not have spent the time to digitize my collection without your software. Well worth the humble price tag.

    I'm having an issue with the Silence Track Deletion DSP. I initially looks like it works, but then adds the removed files back as a 0 kb file at the end of the rip. This also takes a fair amount of time and during the process CD Ripper (and also batch ripper) appears to be hung.

    I rip everything to Flac with compression-level-5 and the 'verify' option. I rip mainly for playback and not archiving purposes. I have the following DSP's setup in this order:

    HDCD: Setup to use the +6 db Amplification -- although I've seen people complain about this setting, I have not had a problem with any of the 6 or 7 HDCD's in my collection of 1000+ discs; spectral analysis shows no peaks and sound is closer in volume to non-hdcd's (not all of my players support the Replay Gain tags).

    Audio CD Silence Track Removal: Silence is defined as 'Any Value Below -45 dB 0.6%' which I believe is the default setting.

    Audio CD - Hidden Track Silence Removal: Silence is defined as 'Any Value Below -45 dB 0.6%', and the detection threshold is set to '4000 ms'.

    ReplayGain: Set to write Track & Album Gain, advanced settings - Albums Identified By 'Album ID Tag' and 'Gain Calculation EBU R 128' '-18 LUFS Target Volume.

    So, the disc I'm using to test is Nine Inch Nails - Broken. It has 6 tracks followed by 91 tracks of silence (of 1 second) and then two additional tracks with music. This is a pressed retail cd is 'new' condition (just cracked the plastic myself).

    Any help would be greatly appreciated, I'm pulling my hair out over here. I have a stack of other cd's with hidden tracks (both appended to the last track and with the random number of silent tracks) that I have to re-rip (my initial run through them didn't have any DSP, and as a result, my playback devices will occasionally have large bouts of silence when these tracks come up). I'm just waiting to resolve this before I continue.

    A couple of things I plan on trying to test and see if it resolves the trouble:

    Remove the 'verify audio' setting from the Flac encoder.

    Add the DSP Effect 'process all offline'

    Thanks in advance for the assistance!
  • Spoon
    Administrator
    • Apr 2002
    • 44509

    #2
    Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

    >This also takes a fair amount of time and during the process CD Ripper (and also batch ripper) appears to be hung.

    How long per track?
    Spoon
    www.dbpoweramp.com

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    • BlackSt4R

      • Mar 2013
      • 8

      #3
      Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

      Quick Update:

      Turning the 'verify' option off for the Flac encoder resulted in the exact same behavior.
      Adding the 'force non-live' DSP effect resulted in the exact same behavior.
      While the CD Ripper appears to be hung (after the rip has completed while is adding the 0 Byte 'Silence' files back to the folder), if you attempt to close CD Ripper, it fails and the process changes its status to 'Not Responding' in the Windows Task manager.

      I thought I should also tell you a bit about my system. I'm using the latest 64 bit version of Reference (release 15.3) and the DSP Effects are release 11.
      I have two Plextor DVDR PX-L890SA drives that I use to rip (behavior is the same regardless of which drive is used). OS is Windows 8.1 Professional (64 bit). Processor is an Intel Core i7-3930K (6 core - hyperthreaded), and system has 64 GB of RAM, an intel board, and runs Intel SSD drives for both data and the OS.

      Rip Settings are below (if they are important):

      Ripping Method: Secure
      Secure Settings:
      Pass 1: AccurateRip Verified
      Ultra Secure: Enabled
      Minimum Ultra Passes: 1
      Maximum Ultra Passes: 2
      End After Clean Passes: 1
      Vary Drive Speed: Enabled
      Individual Bad Frames:
      Maximum Re-Reads: 34 times
      Set Drive Speed: (Maximum)
      Drive Read Cache: (none)
      Clear Read Cache with FUA: Disabled
      C2 Error Pointers for Error Detection: Enabled
      8KB Transfers (C2 Pointers over USB / Firewire)
      Secure Rip Abort
      After Unrecoverable Frames: 1 frame
      When have to re-rip: (no abort)
      After Ripping a Track for: 10 minutes
      Interpolate Unrecoverable Frames: Disabled
      Mark Track as Error if Insecure: Enabled
      Cancel Disc Ripping After Any Insecure Track: Enabled
      Secure Extraction Log:
      Report Contents: Complete
      Write to File: (same as ripped to path)
      Add to Information Log: Disabled
      AccurateRip
      Query Ripping Results with AccurateRip: Enabled
      Cross-Pressing Verification: Enabled
      Send Finger Prints: Enabled
      Send Results to Online Database:
      Schedule submission reminder every 30 days
      Meta Data:
      Meta Data & ID Tag: (not adjusted from default)
      File Name Restricted Characters: (not adjusted from default)
      CD ROM
      Drive: PLEXTOR -DVDR PX-L890SA
      Technical
      Manufacturer: PLEXTOR
      CD Drive: DVDR PX-L890SA
      Firmware: 1.07
      Serial: 2011/11/15 10:15
      Maximum Speed: 8467 KB/sec (x47)
      Current Speed: 8467 KB/sec (x47)
      Spin-down After: Never
      Buffer Size: 1.5 MB
      Accurate Stream: Yes
      C2 Error Pointers: Yes
      Reads ISRC: Yes
      Reads UPC: Yes
      After Rip: Eject CD Only if Secure or Accurate
      Ripping Speed: (Maximum)
      Spin-up Time: (none)
      Spin-down After: (default)
      Sample Offset: +6
      Read into Lead-in or Lead-out: Disabled
      Communication: SCSI Pass Through (SPT)
      Prevent Detection of Hidden First Track: Disabled

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      • BlackSt4R

        • Mar 2013
        • 8

        #4
        Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

        Originally posted by Spoon
        >This also takes a fair amount of time and during the process CD Ripper (and also batch ripper) appears to be hung.

        How long per track?
        After the rip shows 100%, and the folder only contains the tracks with actual music, the zero bytes files appear in the folder at rate of ~1 per 7 seconds until all the silent tracks are created in the folder. I also want to add that these files have no ID tags or other data.

        Spoon, between this software and the AccurateRip database, you are a legend. Thank you.

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        • BlackSt4R

          • Mar 2013
          • 8

          #5
          Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

          Just wanted to add that I just tested with another CD with the same results: Cracker - Kerosene Hat. Pressed Retail Disc.

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          • Spoon
            Administrator
            • Apr 2002
            • 44509

            #6
            Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

            I think I know why this is happening, I will mark as a bug for next beta
            Spoon
            www.dbpoweramp.com

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            • BlackSt4R

              • Mar 2013
              • 8

              #7
              Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

              Any update?

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              • BlackSt4R

                • Mar 2013
                • 8

                #8
                Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

                Ignore this request for update, just saw you working on R16. With hit the beta to see if issue still reproducable. Keep being awesome.

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                • BlackSt4R

                  • Mar 2013
                  • 8

                  #9
                  Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

                  Identical behavior in R16 beta... Sad panda. Would new CD-Rom drives help? I'm in the market for new drives possibly, since one of my 3 Plextor just gave up the ghost, and I would prefer a matched set. Any suggestions for internal PC drives to buy new?

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                  • jessesbakery

                    • Feb 2019
                    • 1

                    #10
                    Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

                    I'm having some issue with this also - I use dBp for audio production - and in this case:

                    I have a bunch of files with sound at the very beginning, and sound at the very end. I would like to batch the removal of the silence in the middle of the file.

                    Silent Track Deletion seems like the right way to do this, but I'm not getting any results. Does anyone have a recommendation?

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                    • Michael Magic

                      • Mar 2020
                      • 1

                      #11
                      Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

                      I have the opposite problem. I have language CDs that have blank spaces to repeat sentences in the language. I cannot figure out how to remove the delete silence spaces in the file. Earlier versions were not a problem, but R16.6 is determined to remove the silent spaces in the middle of the file. Any ideas?

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                      • Spoon
                        Administrator
                        • Apr 2002
                        • 44509

                        #12
                        Re: Silence Track Deletion - Not Working.

                        You want to remove the silence from only the start or end of track?
                        Spoon
                        www.dbpoweramp.com

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