AR Rip Confidence 1 Question

[magicd00bie]

Hi,

I used EAC V1.0 Beta 3 for this rip and here's what I got. I'm confused why some other tracks "Cannot be verified as accurate" when they have the same Test & Copy CRC. So my question is, when I rip a CD and get only Confidence 1, does that mean the CD is not popular? What if the ones who submitted first in the Accurate Database ripped this CD with lots of errors or was ripping Pirated Copies of this disc? Does that count in the Confidence Level in the Accurate Rip Database? Considering this CD I ripped has long been out of print and there were just few original copies of this pressed here in my country. Thanks.

Exact Audio Copy V1.0 beta 3 from 29. August 2011

EAC extraction logfile from 1. October 2012, 12:50

Sky Church / Unaware, Unwarned

Used drive  : MATSHITADVD-RAM UJ8A0AS   Adapter: 0  ID: 1

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : No

Read offset correction                      : 102
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling                                : Appended to previous track

Used output format              : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate                : 768 kBit/s
Quality                         : High
Add ID3 tag                     : No
Command line compressor         : C:\Program Files\Exact Audio Copy\FLAC\FLAC.EXE
Additional command line options : -8 -V -T "ARTIST=%artist%" -T "TITLE=%title%" -T "ALBUM=%albumtitle%" -T "DATE=%year%" -T "TRACKNUMBER=%tracknr%" -T "GENRE=%genre%" -T "COMMENT=%comment%" -T "BAND=%albuminterpret%" -T "COMPOSER=%composer%" %haslyrics%--tag-from-file=LYRICS="%lyricsfile%"%haslyrics% -T "DISCNUMBER=%cdnumber%" -T "TOTALDISCS=%totalcds%" -T "TOTALTRACKS=%numtracks%" %hascover%--picture="%coverfile%"%hascover% %source% -o %dest%


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 |  3:48.49 |         0    |    17148   
        2  |  3:48.49 |  3:03.36 |     17149    |    30909   
        3  |  6:52.10 |  3:05.68 |     30910    |    44852   
        4  |  9:58.03 |  4:02.17 |     44853    |    63019   
        5  | 14:00.20 |  3:04.34 |     63020    |    76853   
        6  | 17:04.54 |  4:06.47 |     76854    |    95350   
        7  | 21:11.26 |  3:50.69 |     95351    |   112669   
        8  | 25:02.20 |  2:43.06 |    112670    |   124900   
        9  | 27:45.26 |  3:17.70 |    124901    |   139745   
       10  | 31:03.21 |  1:40.44 |    139746    |   147289   
       11  | 32:43.65 |  2:38.22 |    147290    |   159161   
       12  | 35:22.12 |  2:39.09 |    159162    |   171095   
       13  | 38:01.21 |  2:59.41 |    171096    |   184561   
       14  | 41:00.62 |  2:26.29 |    184562    |   195540   


Track  1

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\01-Sky Church-Bane.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.00

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 2.1 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC F67D4623
     Copy CRC F67D4623
     Accurately ripped (confidence 1)  [A1D2FEB4]  (AR v1)
     Copy OK

Track  2

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\02-Sky Church-Victim.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 2.3 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 7792C946
     Copy CRC 7792C946
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 1)  [964849F8], AccurateRip returned [6ED02801]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  3

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\03-Sky Church-World Today, Gone Tomorrow.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 2.4 X
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 76D77405
     Copy CRC 76D77405
     Accurately ripped (confidence 1)  [6B2F4AED]  (AR v1)
     Copy OK

Track  4

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\04-Sky Church-Reality.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 2.6 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 5DBB4FB4
     Copy CRC 5DBB4FB4
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 1)  [1282D508], AccurateRip returned [7B05F6AC]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  5

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\05-Sky Church-Adamant.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 2.8 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 6C3127E0
     Copy CRC 6C3127E0
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 1)  [AB3CB51C], AccurateRip returned [02F73078]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  6

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\06-Sky Church-Call Upon.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 2.9 X
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 46C2ECD7
     Copy CRC 46C2ECD7
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 1)  [C6F3ECE3], AccurateRip returned [557A111F]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  7

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\07-Sky Church-For Myself.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 3.1 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC F77F85E8
     Copy CRC F77F85E8
     Accurately ripped (confidence 1)  [CCB581D8]  (AR v1)
     Copy OK

Track  8

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\08-Sky Church-Confusion.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 3.2 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC B420ECD7
     Copy CRC B420ECD7
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 1)  [2564608C], AccurateRip returned [FABE2D38]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  9

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\09-Sky Church-User Friendly.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:00.01

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 3.3 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 40FDA3A0
     Copy CRC 40FDA3A0
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 1)  [58DFDA1F], AccurateRip returned [3AA82326]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track 10

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\10-Sky Church-Futile.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 3.2 X
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Test CRC E28B55C8
     Copy CRC E28B55C8
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 1)  [4A7E983E], AccurateRip returned [1D74E62F]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track 11

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\11-Sky Church-Genesis.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 3.4 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 8E0EAE1B
     Copy CRC 8E0EAE1B
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 1)  [F5E2E35C], AccurateRip returned [6BF2C4BE]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track 12

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\12-Sky Church-Bitter.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 3.5 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 8D62799E
     Copy CRC 8D62799E
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 1)  [5EBF436B], AccurateRip returned [148BF3F0]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track 13

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\13-Sky Church-Nobody Owns.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 3.5 X
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 461896B0
     Copy CRC 461896B0
     Accurately ripped (confidence 1)  [B2B7BF19]  (AR v1)
     Copy OK

Track 14

     Filename D:\Magicd00bie's Archived CDs\Sky Church-Unaware, Unwarned-CD-FLAC-2000-gil\14-Sky Church-Delubyo.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 3.0 X
     Track quality 99.7 %
     Test CRC D2A84905
     Copy CRC D2A84905
     Accurately ripped (confidence 1)  [BD023F34]  (AR v1)
     Copy OK


 5 track(s) accurately ripped
 9 track(s) could not be verified as accurate

Some tracks could not be verified as accurate

No errors occurred

End of status report

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[Porcus]

Re: AR Rip Confidence 1 Question

I'm confused why some other tracks "Cannot be verified as accurate" when they have the same Test & Copy CRC.

The one in the AR database need not be any good. It could be scratched -- and it need not have been ripped using the more secure settings either. If you are really paranoid about this -- and since it is a rare CD you might want to do a little more to ensure the quality of the rip -- then try to rip it with a different drive and compare the CRCs.

So my question is, when I rip a CD and get only Confidence 1, does that mean the CD is not popular?

Yeah. What a shock that a Philippinean self-released death metal album isn't a blockbuster?

What if the ones who submitted first in the Accurate Database ripped this CD with lots of errors or was ripping Pirated Copies of this disc? Does that count in the Confidence Level in the Accurate Rip Database?

Of course. AccurateRip has of no way to track down the rightsholders and ask if this is the legitimate pressing, or a pirated copy, or an illicit release where the label ripped the band off

AccurateRip is supposed to verify that your rip matches someone else's. If someone took a CD, ripped it with errors (but with track lengths etc. right), pressed a pirate version and sold it, then you really shouldn't care about the well-being of those who bought it and who use AccurateRip to get evidence that 'it's a copy but at least it is a good copy'.

The concern should be whether your copy matches the AR entry. If someone has submitted an album before you, and you get a match, then most likely both rips are good -- no matter whether the other were a pirated one, because it is unlikely that they match by coincidence. If the already-submitted one had ripping errors, then you should get the result you got.

[magicd00bie]

Re: AR Rip Confidence 1 Question

Thanks for the reply and taking time answering my questions Porcus. Anyway, I ripped the CD again in another computer with a different CD/DVD Drive brand and used my EAC settings and configured Accurate Rip etc.. and still got the same results. I compared the Test & Copy CRCs from both rips and they still have the same results. Therefore I conclude that my rip is legit and the ones submitted in the database beforehand was probably a bad rip. Btw, Im not Philippinean but a Filipino.