Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

[Paul_G]

I have a profile set up that rips to FLAC and AIIF into two different locations. On one particular CD (Crossing the Red Sea With the Adverts Ultimate edition - 26 tracks) the tracks start to rip and then by the time the rip has completed, it appears that some dissappear (in both FLAC and AIIF locations). If I rip the missing tracks to a differnt location and try to copy them back in, Windows asks me if I want to overwite the files, even though they don't appear to be there.
If I rip this CD in FLAC only to its own location then it RIPS OK.
Not a big deal really as I can get around the problem. I just don't want to miss tracks on future rips.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Paul

[Spoon]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

>Windows asks me if I want to overwite the files, even though they don't appear to be there.

If Windows is asking to overwrite the files, then they are there, perhaps the path length is too long to display, you are using Windows Explorer?

[Paul_G]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

Yes, using Explorer 9. Path length is fine. If I "select all" explorr only counts the files that I can see. Seems very strange! From memory about 8 of the tracks are missing.

[Spoon]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

The tracks do not have the same name as other tracks on the album?

[Paul_G]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

I'm not quite sure I understand the question but this is what happens when you watch the folder containing the ripped tracks as they rip.

Tracks rip in the normal way, track 2 then 2 etc. When it gets to something like track 14, track 1 disappears, then track 2, 3 etc. (For some reason track 4 stayed!). So I can see previously ripped tracks dissappear as new ones are formed.

I then tried to just rip the missing tracks into the folder and other tracks disappeared. So I created a new folder to rip the missing tracks and then tried to copy them into the default folder. I then get a message saying to I want to overwite the files. I.e. Windows does not think they are missing even though I cant see them. I have folder options set to see everything in Windows.

I am obviously using multi encoder to rip to the two different formats into two different folders. The same files are "missing" in both folders.

Hope this helps.

I have ripped a few more CD's in the meantime and the others are OK.

[Paul_G]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

OK, I have now manage to reproduce this sort of. I tried another CD with a lot of tracks. (25) All went OK until the final track saved, then track 5 dissappeared!. Burned track 5 into the same folder and track 20 is now gone! I burned track 20 into a different folder and tried to copy it into the main folder and I get the message "There is already a file with the same name in this location"! Trouble is I can't see it! If I chose the option to replace with the new file it appears and track 5 dissappears again..... If I open that folder to play in Media Player, the file does appear to be there so maybe this is a Windows issue where I can't see all the files in the window??

[Spoon]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

Never have heard of anything like it before.

[Paul_G]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

I'm surpised no-one has come accross this before as I think I have resolved the issue. Same thing has just happened again. This time Deep Puerple - Burn remastered. This includes bonus tracks. If dBpoweramp picks the wrong metadata for the track listing then you can end up having 2 tracks with the same name. (In this case Burn). The extra track should be called Burn (2004 Remix), but poweramp just labels it Burn, the same as track 1. When it starts ripping the tracks it gets confused when it gets to the duplicate and deletes the original and i think some other tracks as well.
For info namimg is set at: [artist]\[album]\[title]

Is there anyway to avoid this aside from checking the track list for duplicates each time?
Thanks,
Paul

[Spoon]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

Most people use default naming which has the track number before title.

[Paul_G]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

OK, now you have me worried! Is there any particular advantage to adding the track name? (Apart from getting over the ripping issue I have :D). Just having the track name as the track name seemed to me to be the best way to go. The track number still seems to be strored in the FLAC file.

[Spoon]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

There are many discs where 2 tracks have the same name.

[Paul_G]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

I have ripped about 50 CD's so far and I have had this about 3 times.
With regards to my prev Q, any advantage adding the track name to the title? I haven't bought a media server yet, but I will probably be using Asset and probably a Linn Akurate in the future.

[BrodyBoy]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

The obvious advantage to including the track number is that it makes every filename unique, regardless of song title, and avoids problems like you've already run into.

Aside from that, it helps order the files. Remember, digital music files are just files in a computer (even when that computer is called an iPod or a media server). If you want all the songs listed alphabetically, the track title alone would accomplish that. But I think the most common naming schemes include the track number so that files are always listed in their proper album order, which seems more intuitive. Many (if not most) players can overcome this by, of course, there are also some "dumb" players, like the changer in my car, that plays files in alphabetical order unless I force it to recognize the tracknumbers first.

[Paul_G]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

Thanks for the reply. I hadn't really though of dumb players, as my car just rips CD's to it's drive and as yet I always prefer to buy CD's as opposed to digital files. However, I don't really want to come up against this issue in the future.
Is there any downside to including the track number apart from being totally anal about this and deciding the track title is the track title and shouldn't include the number?
Thanks,
Paul

[BrodyBoy]

Re: Tracks Rip and then some dissapear?

Maybe you're conflating the filename and the track (or "song") title a little bit. The filename, and whatever information you choose to include in it, is completely independent of the song's title, which is simply part of the metadata associated with the file. So, for example:

George Harrison - Bob Dylan 30th Anniversary Concert(22)Absolutely Sweet Marie

That may be the filename, but the song title is still just "Absolutely Sweet Marie," no matter what info the filename contains. Every filename must be unique within a folder. For music files, of course, we generally have all the files in folders organized by album. Since, as you have already noted, an album might well have more than one version of a song, with exactly the same title, the track number might be the only thing that distinguishes their filenames.

You mentioned you already include artist, album, and title in your filenames. But for two songs on an album with the same title, all that info is the same and you'll get two files with the same name. So one will likely overwrite the other. Simply adding the track number, anywhere in the string, will distinguish the files. That's probably the best reason to always include it as part of your default naming scheme.