This is the thread I'm referring to in another thread today (my link there to this thread is waiting for approval as of now).
In post #10 you can see the results of our testing with the Cambridge 851N.
Please note: By accident/mishap, this thread is missing many posts from simbun, so the context can be hard to follow.
Cambridge Audio / StreamMagic only displaying first artist
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Re: Cambridge Audio / StreamMagic only displaying first artist
And for the Marantz & Rotel models that I have encountered. This display problem is very common sadly.Leave a comment:
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I've raised the multiple artist issue with Cambridge and, following a fairly disappointing "that's how it is" reply, I've arranged for it to be escalated and it's now with the developers for consideration. I spoke with a second support person and they confirmed it's on the list for discussion. So there is hope. Displaying all the artists assigned to a track is a fairly basic display requirement I'd have thought.Leave a comment:
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... OR you humbly request new server features. I'm not expecting Asset to solve every problem with misbehaving control points and renderers, but Asset is a great server and already does some tricks in that respect. So I ask and hope for the best. If the Illustrate team thinks it's worth the effort, I'll be happy, if not I understand.
However, some hi-fi manufacturers implementation of the protocols involved is poor, and, when I have pointed out certain bugs/issues, their attitude and response has also been poor to say the least, and that is a shame.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by simbunSorry, best to ignore my last reply it was an absolute mess, missing characters and even words!
Originally posted by simbunYes I do understand that you'd want to leave the audio untouched, but the one example we have of such processing in the current product is with MP3, using "as MP3", where it does decode and encode.
It's obviously possible, although whether it's worth the investment for Illustrate I don't know.
So I'm not sure what you mean, maybe I'm not reading you right. When you say "It's obviously possible", are you referring to "decode and encode"? Cause that's not what I'm after.Leave a comment:
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The alternatives don't look better to me. I like the power and customization a music server offers. I like having a streamer on top of my amplifier, and often use it without the app, only the remote control. Then the display on the unit is the only place where I can see track info - so it's nice when it's accurate. Other times I use the app, browsing the album covers. Nice to have choices, depending on your mood.Leave a comment:
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I was a big fan of the UPnP/DLNA protocol (10 years ago), and although Asset UPnP works very well, getting hi-fi hardware manufacturers to implement firmware that works reasonably OR as hoped, in my experience does not happen.
Yes, you'll be able to stream audio ok, but handling ALL the possible metadata/artwork formats well, is another matter.
You either accept the manufacturers limitations OR you look for another solution... as I did.Leave a comment:
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By stripping the files from tags I don't mean by decoding / encoding, I mean just removing the tags, keeping the original audio untouched.
I think it would be better than transcoding when you don't really need/want transcoding, only stripping of tags.
I'd prefer to have untouched audio sent to the renderer if possible. Playing the original files gives you a hint of the source when you have various file types and it's great to see whether you play lossy or lossless.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by simbunHe's correct in thinking that he shouldn't need to do anything, but it doesn't look like that's an option.
Originally posted by simbunAnd from your last test we know it's because it can't get tags from the AIFF format; so a simple fix is to convert everything to AIFF ;-)
Transcoding has a similar disadvantage, since the original file format is disguised - flac & mp3 are both displayed as pcm.
But that got me thinking about this:
Could "no metadata is sent in file" also be achieved for "as is", like in a "no tag" option?
I.e. selecting "no tag" (or similar name) would not touch the audio, only strip the file from tags.
Thus hindering dumb control points from pulling tags off the audio files.
Or as a General setting e.g. "Don't send metadata in files"
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The result from our testing of the 851N:
Code:FORMAT STREAM AA present AA absent FLAC/MP3 AS IS single A * single A * WAV multi AA multi A AIFF AS IS multi AA multi A WAV multi AA multi A * not from Asset, pulled from source file ID3v2.3 or ID3v2.4 didn't matter for MP3/AIFF Multiple ARTISTs present in all files AA present = multiple ALBUM ARTISTs tagged
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Originally posted by simbunMy streamer doesn't apply ReplayGain so I have my server apply it for me. In AssetUPnP:
"Only tracks which are streamed (in a format other than 'as is') would have replaygain applied."
Originally posted by simbunwhy would you think it wouldn't work now?
Originally posted by simbunIt's probably because how ID3v2.4 stores multi-value tags, I bet you'd see the same with MP3 files.
Originally posted by simbunThere are a LOT of dumb controllers out there :-)
My buddy who owns the 851N says he's fed up with testing for now, so testing BubbleUPnP Server has to wait. Hoping for the [SimpleArtist] update, but he would need transcoding as well, which he thinks he shouldn't have to do just for correcting one tag on his flagship model... Cambridge, are you reading...? Probably not.
Btw, the link is clearly seen now, and also thanks for your support and ideas.Leave a comment:
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And another oddity we discovered: When playing aiff files streamed "as is" the 851N displayed multiple ALBUM ARTISTs whilst playing - as opposed to single ARTISTs when playing flac files.
How can this be made to work for multiples too?
preformat:=artist:=[artist]-a-Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by simbuntranscoding to WAV (I do it to apply ReplayGain).
Originally posted by simbun[SimpleArtist]
AS IS: No difference (=single artist still pulled by 851N from flac file)
TRANSCODING: "Unknown Artist" was displayed
And even if [SimpleArtist] gets fixed the 851N probably won't obey...
(By the way the links are almost invisible on my display, perhaps underlining or something would help to make links stand out more?)Leave a comment:
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Great idea to use preformat for testing. We setup this
Code:preformat:=album artist:=[album artist]-aa- preformat:=artist:=[artist]-a-
AS IS
artist read from flac file
WAV TRANSCODING
if album artist is present: -aa-
if album artist is absent: -a-
So the 851N normally likes to read directly from the flac files, but when transcoding it's getting the preformatted values from Asset.Leave a comment:
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When transcoding no metadata is sent in fileLeave a comment:
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