New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

[Dat Ei]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

Personally I haven't experienced problems with my CD's or hybrid SACD's (single layer uber SACD's will only play in a SACD player and not in an optical drive) using a number of computers over the years with WMP...

The only reason for this is, that WMP doesn't report problems or errors on that level and produces faulty files. Thoses errors are sometimes hearable, sometimes not. But never the less: those copies are not bitperfect an dthat is the aim of dBpa.

Would you be able/willing/available to compile a list of fairly essential amendments/additions for the Setup Guide and put them forward to the programme owner(s)/administrators?

You better read the original postings which are the base for Paul's knwoledge.


Dat Ei

[ChisChas]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

Hi ChisChas,

I used the TRIAL version and I think I made the purchase after 2 weeks. I then bought a second license (so I have one copy on my work PC and one on my home).

I too have found the manual to be quite difficult and I certainly do not come from a computer background. The learning curve is, I have found, to be quite steep. But, as you can see, I have persevered and also received a lot of help on this forum.

Paul

Thank you for coming out and saying you 'found the manual (Setup Guide) quite difficult), clearly I did too. I am encouraged (now there's a more positive approach towards me) by the help provided within this thread and hope to continue with the dBpa journey although I'm now to the wiser re future potential problems with hopefully a small % of my CD's. Personally I haven't experienced problems with my CD's or hybrid SACD's (single layer uber SACD's will only play in a SACD player and not in an optical drive) using a number of computers over the years with WMP but as I've already said, I bought dBpa for its much better metadata and album cover capability.
Would you be able/willing/available to compile a list of fairly essential amendments/additions for the Setup Guide and put them forward to the programme owner(s)/administrators?

[mville]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

within the next 24 hours I will retry using the Samsung drive (and note the exact error details down) and then get the new Asus drive into action (hopefully this one will rip tracks unrippable by the Samsung drive).

In CD Ripper Options >> After Ripping, make sure Display Error Log and Display Information Log are ticked. This will report the full error status for all tracks, when ripping is complete.

1. Yes, I believe the Samsung drive is configured for AccurateRip, a window appeared to state that.

Go to CD Ripper Options >> Secure Settings. Does it say AccurateRip Verified under Pass 1?

2. Someone else advised I should untick C2 Error Pointers, I immediately unticked it.

OK.

3. I've had to Google DSP, what do you mean by DSP's? Demand Side Platform? Digital Sound P..........?

Although you find the Online Help a difficult read, there are several references to the DSPs which you can add in CDRipper. The DSP tab is found bottom/centre of the main CDRipper window.

4. The CD allows tracks 1-14 to rip just fine using dBpa so it cannot be copy protected.

If your CD is copy protected, there will be a Copy Controlled logo somewhere on the CD case/artwork.

[Dat Ei]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

Digital Signal / Sound Processor


Dat Ei

[ChisChas]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

Ok, I've just had a look at one of my earlier posts to remind myself! The first 14 tracks rip without any problem or drama (blueish orb and (9) after each of those 14 tracks. Tracks 15 & 16 have red crosses and error messages after them and more to the point, neither track 15 & 16 appear in my dBpa folder so can't be played because they ain't there. Track 16 did rip once but imperfectly and when I listened to it, there were minute gaps/stumbles so I deleted it. I've had a break from dBpa but within the next 24 hours I will retry using the Samsung drive (and note the exact error details down) and then get the new Asus drive into action (hopefully this one will rip tracks unrippable by the Samsung drive).

In answer to your 4 questions:

1. Yes, I believe the Samsung drive is configured for AccurateRip, a window appeared to state that.
2. Someone else advised I should untick C2 Error Pointers, I immediately unticked it.
3. I've had to Google DSP, what do you mean by DSP's? Demand Side Platform? Digital Sound P..........?
4. The CD allows tracks 1-14 to rip just fine using dBpa so it cannot be copy protected.

Look forward to learning what DSP's are!

[mville]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

So if the Arena album 'Contagion' has ripped the first 14 tracks just fine but the last 2 tracks refuse to rip, what can you advise?

Exactly what does the last 2 tracks refuse to rip mean i.e. does CDRipper stop ripping and provide any error message(s) or do you manually cancel the rip?

Also, I just want to confirm a few things:
1. Your drive is configured for AccurateRip?
2. CDRipper Options >> Secure Settings >> C2 Error Pointers for Error Detection is NOT ticked?
3. You are not using any DSPs, when ripping?
4. CD is not copy protected?

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

Tbh, it's not about the £36 and I had no idea I would run into these problems from the off (that's why I purchased dBpa and didn't use the Trial). With hindsight, the Trial might have been a good idea but that's ok. As I've said on this thread, I feel that the Setup Guide could be expanded to provide more advice but I've come across other Setup Guides where they also seemed to be written by very clever & brainy people who are intimately involved with a product and are seemingly unable to understand that others have other skills and capabilities outside the computer programming and all things connected with computers but not anything like the same amount of skills in this area.

Hi ChisChas,

I used the TRIAL version and I think I made the purchase after 2 weeks. I then bought a second license (so I have one copy on my work PC and one on my home).

I too have found the manual to be quite difficult and I certainly do not come from a computer background. The learning curve is, I have found, to be quite steep. But, as you can see, I have persevered and also received a lot of help on this forum.

Paul

[ChisChas]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

The problems you've noted are often a result of:
1. bad CD (or CD with copy protection)
2. C2 error being ticked in setup when drive doesn't truly support C2.
3. Simply something about the combination of the CD and the drive that doesn't work well.

You've tried *2, so nothing much left to test until after you've tried the new drive you have coming as a test of *3. And keep in mind that you need to test with other CDs as well. One can always find a troublesome CD that creates problems, but I wouldn't make my decisons based on one or two problem CDs out of hundreds or thousands one might rip.

Thank you, the Arena album wasn't the first I had a problem with within the first 24 hours of using dBpa. I think the 'clever' thing for me to do is to put aside any mares thereby avoiding getting stuck (after a few tries) and if they really don't want to play ball then I'll use the WMP rip for that particular album.

Gary, could you recommend the best settings within Secure Rip so my drive(s) keep trying much longer and I don't have to keep mouse clicking to repeat the attempt to rip an intially unco-operative CD?

And the Arena album rips perfectly well using the inferior WMP btw so it's not an obvious drive or CD issue but I was perfectly happy to buy one more drive but the idea of buying several more + the £36 for dBpa started to feel a bit extreme when I'm happy with the SQ of the WMP rips, it's the metadata and album cover problem that I'm unhappy with.

[ChisChas]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

Hi ChisChas.

To be honest, I did not have to set anything in order for dBpa to keep ripping the CDs, whether that be if I left the system running all night, or if it chose to rip in 'frames'. And so no, I am not able to point you towards any such postings in my threads I am afraid.

Not that this would make much difference now - as it would be after the fact - but did you not test out Illustrate via the (free of charge) 28 x day TRIAL s/w version? Many people take advantage of this facility, and then post questions regarding their experiences (all good, bad and the ugly) as they go along. And then, based upon their experience, make their decision as to whether or not to purchase come time-bomb moment.

Yes, I fully agree that I have invested much time into trying to learn and configure Illustrate to suit my personal needs. It has not been easy, but then I am possibly older than yourself and also I am new to computers - for what it's worth.

In my experience, I ripped something like 400+ CDs at the time (circa 2011) using WMP. At least 10% did not play correctly afterwards. And - as I continued to discover until finally deciding to switch over to Illustrate - I would say that 1-10 CDs has at least 1 x track with some kind of glitch. WMP may well 'appear' to rip your collection correctly, but I believe - based upon first hand experience - that this can be far from the truth. Besides, it offers no such 'verification', and similar, as does Illustrate.

Thanks,

Paul

Tbh, it's not about the £36 and I had no idea I would run into these problems from the off (that's why I purchased dBpa and didn't use the Trial). With hindsight, the Trial might have been a good idea but that's ok. As I've said on this thread, I feel that the Setup Guide could be expanded to provide more advice but I've come across other Setup Guides where they also seemed to be written by very clever & brainy people who are intimately involved with a product and are seemingly unable to understand that others have other skills and capabilities outside the computer programming and all things connected with computers but not anything like the same amount of skills in this area.

[ChisChas]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

Have you read this: CD Ripper Secure Ripping Setup Guide and is your drive configured for AccurateRip?



That's because your Windows PC is configured to automatically play CDs in WMP. It has nothing to do with CDRipper. Turn off the Windows Autoplay feature.



Of the 300 CDs you own, are any of them HDCDs?

Thank you for being so helpful. 1) Yes, I read the Set Up Guide before starting 2) I got an onscreen message to say my drive was configured for AccurateRip 3) Re blank CD/triangle, thank you for this advice, I will disable Autoplay in Windows (no mention of this in the Setup Guide) 4) I own a lot more than 300 CD's, I just want to convert my favourite 300 to dBpa but no, none is a HDCD so as someone else has kindly advised I will untick the HDCD option. I do own a number of hybrid and single layer SACD's and will wish to convert hybrid SACD's like Wish You Were Here & Dark Side Of The Moon. I have been actioning specific advice and that's what I was hoping for by starting this thread.

[garym]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

I have already stated in posts in this thread that I am aware of most or all of the advantages of dBpa (I like your abbreviation btw) but I am having problems as you can read and would love some tips/hints/advice as to how I can overcome/work round the problems I'm experiencing.

The problems you've noted are often a result of:
1. bad CD (or CD with copy protection)
2. C2 error being ticked in setup when drive doesn't truly support C2.
3. Simply something about the combination of the CD and the drive that doesn't work well.

You've tried *2, so nothing much left to test until after you've tried the new drive you have coming as a test of *3. And keep in mind that you need to test with other CDs as well. One can always find a troublesome CD that creates problems, but I wouldn't make my decisons based on one or two problem CDs out of hundreds or thousands one might rip.

[ChisChas]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

How do you know the rips have worked using WMP? The difference between CDRipper and WMP is that CDRipper reports errors, whereas WMP does not.

However, if you are not that bothered whether your rips are error free and bit perfect, then I guess WMP may well suffice.

Using very nice HP's (AKG K812's), DAP(Questyle QP2R) and a Chord Hugo 2 amp/dac, I'm very happy with the SQ of WMP. I'm very unhappy with its uselessness when it comes to metadata/album covers. So I'm very bothered about SQ generally and would love to use dBpa principally to resolve the metadata/album cover problem with WMP.

[ChisChas]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

ChisChas, you did not understand the advantages of dBpa.


Dat Ei

I have already stated in posts in this thread that I am aware of most or all of the advantages of dBpa (I like your abbreviation btw) but I am having problems as you can read and would love some tips/hints/advice as to how I can overcome/work round the problems I'm experiencing.

[ChisChas]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

That is because there is a distinct difference between ripping a CD in CDRipper and playing a CD in a CD player.

CDRipper tries to extract the digital audio data exactly, to obtain a bit perfect copy of the data. It will keep trying until either it does or stops depending on the CDRipper Secure Settings and then reports the outcome, including any errors found.

A CD player is designed to read a CD, and when it gets errors it then interpolates the missing digital audio data, which hopefully on playback, you will not hear. So, no magic involved.

There are some CDs that will be so badly damaged/scratched or contain manufacturing errors, that will never be ripped, bit perfect, by any method, ever and when played in a CD player, will skip or you'll hear drop-outs in the audio.

So if the Arena album 'Contagion' has ripped the first 14 tracks just fine but the last 2 tracks refuse to rip, what can you advise? I have just bought a new optical drive which arrived today and I'm hoping it will make the difference. I like the fact that dBpoweramp is a better quality of rip and better at providing metadata (that's why I bought it) but using the inferior WMP (but the same optical drive) the whole album ripped without drama yesterday. I'm assuming that dBpoweramp is more demanding in its determination to deliver a better quality of rip and that's why I'm unable to rip the last two tracks?

[ChisChas]

Re: New User Experiencing Huge Time Differences in Rips

If a CD is not yet in the AccurateRip DB, the program has nothing to compare your rip against - to be sure your rip was 'perfect' after the first run through.

So it re-rips it several times (this is configurable) and compares the result to each of the previous times. If they a certain number match than this is considered a 'good' result and your results are then occasionally (or can be forced) uploaded to the online DB for the community to share.

The biggest issue with all of this business is there are different pressings, manufacturers depending on country of origin, etc. I guarantee an original pressing of a CD from 1985, of say 'U2', will be different than one purchased today. Manufacturing has MANY variables. Now add in 'remasters', 'special editions', etc. and...so it's just a crazy mess.

So just because your CD is 'the same' as a friends, doesn't mean it is

The Audioholic

Again thank you for the input. The weird thing is that the Arena album in question (Contagion) has 16 tracks, the first 14 ripped with the blue orb after each one but the last two are being absolute mares and refusing to rip. The first 14 tracks also have a number in brackets (sorry I think it was 9) which I believe indicates that the track is already in the AccurateRip DB? I do understand I might run into an issue if I'm the first to rip a particular album but I wasn't in this instance.