Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
The quote is incomplete, by the way, otherwise it becomes even more ambiguous (as is evident here) and could even take on a different meaning, when taken out of context. It should be:
it was you that doubted my awareness. So, as a result, I don't think it unreasonable that I get some sort of explaination/clarification
I understand that these forums can often be ambiguous, which is why I prefer to ask for clarification, rather than extrapolate or assume.
I have accepted your apology and hope we can move on from this and onto the more important matter of ripping and tagging our music.
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
I don't know what caused the overall reactions and bad feelings. I read the whole thread once again but still can't see the point where I am behaving patronizing or where I doubt anyones skills. If my replies caused this impression nevertheless i sincerely apologize although, really, from my point of view it was more the opposite as cumulated by your calling-of.Leave a comment:
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
"I don't think it unreasonable that I get some sort of explaination/clarification."
Then I am giving this explanation. As a result you are telling me I am patronizing by giving you what you asked for?
Also, I can see no sign of doubt of "your awareness" in any of my posts. I exactly tried to avoid any type of evangelism about the choices i did for storing the data nor did I ask anyone to comment on this. It merely was an explanation of the overall system so that people would understand the context (why VirtualBox). The problems encountered by following Spoons setup advice just happened to come from the virtualization and there I asked for advice. And really thanks again for the advice you gave in that regard.
But of course, I have no idea who you are, what you do and what you know. As is true vice versa, isn't it? I don't see the point why that would matter here since I never doubted any skills of anyone here. To be honest, I could as well interpret the questions and discussions here about my choice to go for ZFS instead of the built-in check as a doubt of my profile (or, as you say, who i am, what i do or what i know).
Finally you pull-out one of the oldest rhetorical tricks to end an unpleasant discussion by calling it of on your side "Forget it" but not without adding some more comments which, I am sure you are aware of this, would cause at least irritation if not opposition.
I don't know what caused the overall reactions and bad feelings. I read the whole thread once again but still can't see the point where I am behaving patronizing or where I doubt anyones skills. If my replies caused this impression nevertheless i sincerely apologize although, really, from my point of view it was more the opposite as cumulated by your calling-of.
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
I am happy to give more clarification but I also had the impression from some of the answers i got that my postings haven't been really read in depth as a whole and I found myself in repeating the same things again, but maybe i just did a bad job on explaining in the first place. English is not my mother language...
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I still do not understand why this does not help me. Test Conversion and PerfetTUNES AccurateRip may not be automated but they still work, don't they? As yet, no flac corruption detected, so no re-rips or backup restores required.
I couldn't agree more with freedom of choice, but even though I have explained my methods, it was you that doubted my awareness. So, as a result, I don't think it unreasonable that I get some sort of explaination/clarification.
So, as for clarification:
It does help you to detect errors but not to repair any in case. You are reporting to never have encountered an error so far during the Test Conversion. Thats good and you are right, you don't need any more then. But if you would encounter an error, then you have to repair that one if you want your audio file to still be like the original. Only in that case the process (if just relying on Test Conversion) is like that:
1. Start the client system which can run Test Conversion.
2. Run Test Conversion manually or scripted (if the latter is possible).
3. If no errors detected quit, else
4. Restore damaged track either from
- a) a backup
- b) a repeated rip (get the CD out of the box and dbPA)
5. In case of a) check integrity again.
IMHO, this process has many steps involved which need the user to act and it also has the drawback that backups as well as CDs which are stored for a long time are another source of potential failure.
So, if one uses a bit-rot-aware and self-healing file system (ZFS or BTRFS) and one chooses to enable these features then the overall process looks like this:
0. Once during system setup, setup file system to check and resilver (means: repair of the damaged file) frequently (using a mirror configuration) on the file server (NAS etc.).
Also, this would include not only audio files which support CRC and similar it would support any file one wants to store including video rips and just everything.
So this is my very short rational why I want to use some technology which minimizes my work and which maximizes my benefit. For me, i made my choice and hence was a bit surprised to get comments telling me about this to be overkill and not so many comments about my real problem, which is, that the setup guide by Spoon did not work for my drives (which also were the recommended ones from the 2016 list).
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
So I try to make it as clear as possible (once again).
1. I do want to set-up secure ripping for my LIT-ON iHAS 124 f drives as specified in the online help. Unfortunately, the process as described does not work for setting up the C2 error handling and I have doubts my drives don't cache and I just asked the forum friends with the same drive (top of 2016 list) to report on their settings as cross-validation.
2. Unfortunately I don't get answers to the secure rip setup problem I have but you yourself has posted:
"What you need to be testing for is whether you can get AccurateRips, or not. If you get successful AccurateRips, your drive is configured OK."
But this is not true, isn't it? AccurateRip is only the first layer of secure ripping dbPA supports. I just want to set it up so that it can handle scratched or damaged disks as good as possible where AccurateRip will fail as you have confirmed above.
If you have followed Spoon's setup guide and you are getting AccurateRips, then it suggests the cache and C2 options are configured OK. When it comes to the Ultra secure options, you can tweak them (and other settings) as and when you finally hit a problematic CD and see the results in CDRipper.Leave a comment:
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
I don't want to continuously invest time into thinking about my data integrity and to take appropriate measures depending on the individual file types when there is now a technically sound solution available also for consumer grade products. Everybody is completely free to choose how they want to handle it and I don't want to evangelize anyone here. But I personally have drawn my own conclusion to the problem of data integrity and I am really just following Spoon's advice rip once - rip right', see https://www.dbpoweramp.com/cd-ripper-setup-guide.htmLast edited by mville; September 08, 2017, 10:23 AM.Leave a comment:
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
You will have CDs that are not in the AccurateRip database and you will have CDs with errors, due to manufacturing errors or dirt/scratches/damage etc. If you have followed Spoon's setup guides in the online help, then you should be fine.
Sorry, I really don't know what you are getting at here. If you aren't happy with the secure rip options, obviously, you can use one of the other ripping apps.
IMO, there are many distinctive features of dBpoweramp Music Converter, not just it's ripping options.
1. I do want to set-up secure ripping for my LIT-ON iHAS 124 f drives as specified in the online help. Unfortunately, the process as described does not work for setting up the C2 error handling and I have doubts my drives don't cache and I just asked the forum friends with the same drive (top of 2016 list) to report on their settings as cross-validation.
2. Unfortunately I don't get answers to the secure rip setup problem I have but you yourself has posted:
"What you need to be testing for is whether you can get AccurateRips, or not. If you get successful AccurateRips, your drive is configured OK."
But this is not true, isn't it? AccurateRip is only the first layer of secure ripping dbPA supports. I just want to set it up so that it can handle scratched or damaged disks as good as possible where AccurateRip will fail as you have confirmed above.
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
As I said earlier, I run the Test Conversion. Are you saying that Test Conversion does NOT report corrupted flacs?
... also, if flacs were corrupt, then this would be reflected in the PerfectTUNES AccurateRip module, which I also run.
I rely on these tools to help me in the area of file corruption. If you doubt that these tools will report corruption, as I had assumed, I would like to know. Please can you enlighten me and by all means, be picky as this is important stuff?
No, I am certainly not saying that Test Conversion would NOT report corrupt files.
I did say, though, that
1. you have to trigger the Test Conversion dedicated integrity check process manually unless their is an automation/scripting option. Still, even if there is one
2. having a dedicated integrity check process for one type of files (FLAC etc.) where you could have a fully automated integrity check process for all of your files on the file system (like with ZFS), I personally would prefer the latter one (see final comment below).
3. having merely a dedicated integrity check process does not help you in case of an error detected. You would have to re-rip your CD or restore it from a backup. In any case, built-in redundancy and resilvering in ZFS (or BTRFS) would do this for you automatically.
I don't want to continuously invest time into thinking about my data integrity and to take appropriate measures depending on the individual file types when there is now a technically sound solution available also for consumer grade products. Everybody is completely free to choose how they want to handle it and I don't want to evangelize anyone here. But I personally have drawn my own conclusion to the problem of data integrity and I am really just following Spoon's advice rip once - rip right', see https://www.dbpoweramp.com/cd-ripper-setup-guide.htm
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I've just had a double take on this statement. How very dare you!!Leave a comment:
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
Strange, page 2 is showing as available, but I can't get to it, anyone else?
... ok good, posting this post fixed the page 2 issue I was having.
Very odd though as there are no other posts showing on this page.Leave a comment:
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
IMO, there are many distinctive features of dBpoweramp Music Converter, not just it's ripping options.Leave a comment:
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
And test conversion is not really a manual process (it's a batch process). I use it as well every so often to confirm the integrity of various HDD backups of my ~ 100,000 track library. A couple of mouse clicks and a few hours later I have confirmation that all the flac files are NOT corrupted. If one was, it would identify that as well. Very useful tool.Leave a comment:
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
Ok, I don't want to get picky here but I would doubt you would be aware of a corrupted flac unless you manually check the CRC included for every track or listen to every track in you (large i guess) library repeatedly as you confirmed on doing also. I just want to have this manual check been made by the file system to cover all of my (also backup) data.
... also, if flacs were corrupt, then this would be reflected in the PerfectTUNES AccurateRip module, which I also run.
I rely on these tools to help me in the area of file corruption. If you doubt that these tools will report corruption, as I had assumed, I would like to know. Please can you enlighten me and by all means, be picky as this is important stuff?Leave a comment:
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Re: Secure ripping using VirtualBox, ECC, ZFS and open questions
Hello, I have not been here in a while after completing a project last year (September ?) of ripping about 1300 CDs to Flac. I had a question regarding the procedure I used 6 to 8 CD/DVD drives to rip the CDs in parallel to Flac (level 0 compression initially). I have noticed that a few songs seem to be "contaminated"
I apologize if this has been asked and answer before. My search strings must be lacking. I don't have a large enough collection to justify a robot, but I need a more robust way to rip my collection that one at a time. Thanks for taking the time to read my post Julien
But more digging turned out several threads with similar problems. So I think there are still two options:
1. Using OSX then as rip system. Does the same limit apply to this OS also (i have all OSX versions since beginning if version is a problem)?
2. Maybe after all the idea to run this on VirtualBox is not that stupid after all, just have to clone the initial Windows system 3x and assign 4 drives to each system. I know you don't like this idea but I might give it a try (but would prefer the OSX solution). Is it really a Windows problem or a problem of the underlying controller hardware?
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