if result is "insecure" (after trying two drives, cleaning, scratch repair),wha next?

[garym]

Re: if result is "insecure" (after trying two drives, cleaning, scratch repair),wha n

So far as I have seen, the vast majority of very serious CA-philes recommend using this DB program (or something very similar). But surprisingl, too, some pretty serious people I have talked to -- couple salesman at a high end store, help guy at one of the computer software players, -- say "just rip in itunes", which, as I understand it, means they are 1) not getting the benefit of the Accurate Rip approach, 2) even ripping in Secure mode are not getting told about as many subtle insecure or warnings as come from this site. Are they making a mistake......

Major mistake. But many high end audio folks only know iTunes. Sad really but it is not at all uncommon. Folks serious about ripping have long used either dbpa or EAC. These same experts will swear that a bit perfect FLAC sounds different from a wav file. <sigh>

[audiojim]

Re: if result is &quot;insecure&quot; (after trying two drives, cleaning, scratch repair),wha n

agree 100% (that is, we are trying for perfect with this software). There are a lot of things I deal with in my daily life that are not perfect and in most cases, insecure rips are toward the bottom of my list. ;-)

So far as I have seen, the vast majority of very serious CA-philes recommend using this DB program (or something very similar). But surprisingl, too, some pretty serious people I have talked to -- couple salesman at a high end store, help guy at one of the computer software players, -- say "just rip in itunes", which, as I understand it, means they are 1) not getting the benefit of the Accurate Rip approach, 2) even ripping in Secure mode are not getting told about as many subtle insecure or warnings as come from this site. Are they making a mistake......

[garym]

Re: if result is &quot;insecure&quot; (after trying two drives, cleaning, scratch repair),wha n

Garym -- your answer implies that everything is "ok" if I hear no problem. But isn't the premise of this site that getting it done right matters. Afterall, lots of CDs that are apparently not accurate and not secure may sound OK (so far as I can tell from comments on here and my own experience).

agree 100% (that is, we are trying for perfect with this software). My only point is that an insecure rip may not require replacing the disc. I have maybe 10,000 CDs. A few I was never able to get beyond insecure. In rare cases, I bought a new CD because the particular artist/Album was very important to me in my collection. But others were things I only rarely listened to and without an audible skip or other audible flaw, etc. I didn't feel the need to replace the CD. There are a lot of things I deal with in my daily life that are not perfect and in most cases, insecure rips are toward the bottom of my list. ;-)

[audiojim]

Re: if result is &quot;insecure&quot; (after trying two drives, cleaning, scratch repair),wha n

Garym -- your answer implies that everything is "ok" if I hear no problem. But isn't the premise of this site that getting it done right matters. Afterall, lots of CDs that are apparently not accurate and not secure may sound OK (so far as I can tell from comments on here and my own experience).

[audiojim]

Re: if result is &quot;insecure&quot; (after trying two drives, cleaning, scratch repair),wha n

Try getting a 2nd disc...?

But, is it worth that hassle -- assuming I don't have one easily at hand and don't want to buy one ? Or if it was good enough to be Secure with Warning does that mean the "flaw"is likely a second or two that I can't hear and not worth worrying about.

[garym]

Re: if result is &quot;insecure&quot; (after trying two drives, cleaning, scratch repair),wha n

Or just listen to the track. You may not be able to hear any issue whatsoever.

[Spoon]

Re: if result is &quot;insecure&quot; (after trying two drives, cleaning, scratch repair),wha n

Try getting a 2nd disc...?

[audiojim]

Just wondering.

Do I live with this (assuming no audible pops). ?

Does this likely manifest itself only in a couple seconds on the song I won't even notice or is it more serious than that?


This is happening on some CDs where all the other tracks are showing Accurate and Secure, even after I clean and use that Dr scratch remover thing. Does this make you think there was a manufactureing defect all along, that I just never knew about?