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Thread: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

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    Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    Music Converter R17.4 and TuneFUSION R1.5 are producing different ReplayGain values for the same flac album, converted to mp3: The Simon and Garfunkel Collection, which has pre_emphasis.

    I notice that Music Converter and TuneFUSION are using different versions of the ReplayGain.dll.

    So, my question is which one is more reliable?

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    What are the track gain values? are the peaks the same?

    Other albums have matching values?

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    What are the track gain values? are the peaks the same?
    Music Converter R17.4: TuneFUSION R1.5:
    Track album_gain album_peak track_gain track_peak album_gain album_peak track_gain track_peak
    01 +5 dB 0.614929 +3.70 dB 0.374084 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +5.13 dB 0.301738
    02 +5 dB 0.614929 +4.42 dB 0.429504 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +5.43 dB 0.326575
    03 +5 dB 0.614929 +3.22 dB 0.614929 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +5.07 dB 0.488492
    04 +5 dB 0.614929 +6.30 dB 0.302704 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +7.34 dB 0.264186
    05 +5 dB 0.614929 +8.55 dB 0.313293 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +9.08 dB 0.207080
    06 +5 dB 0.614929 +6.08 dB 0.442718 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +7.61 dB 0.328555
    07 +5 dB 0.614929 +5.03 dB 0.392059 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +6.19 dB 0.338416
    08 +5 dB 0.614929 +6.83 dB 0.401642 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +8.15 dB 0.226019
    09 +5 dB 0.614929 +4.97 dB 0.503204 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +7.34 dB 0.336082
    10 +5 dB 0.614929 +3.62 dB 0.391846 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +4.86 dB 0.323621
    11 +5 dB 0.614929 +5.97 dB 0.422333 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +6.92 dB 0.298086
    12 +5 dB 0.614929 +2.72 dB 0.416443 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +4.20 dB 0.366566
    13 +5 dB 0.614929 +8.21 dB 0.338348 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +8.52 dB 0.256257
    14 +5 dB 0.614929 +3.39 dB 0.539764 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +5.08 dB 0.410773
    15 +5 dB 0.614929 +4.11 dB 0.498810 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +5.33 dB 0.462053
    16 +5 dB 0.614929 +9.09 dB 0.284882 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +9.60 dB 0.239506
    17 +5 dB 0.614929 +4.44 dB 0.426727 +6.22 dB 0.488492 +5.37 dB 0.402841

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    Other albums have matching values?
    Of 2,635 albums, 99.9% match.

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    You can upload this album in flac please and personal message me a link to dropbox.

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    EAC ripped the album, so you converted FLAC >> FLAC with replaygain DSP effect and de-emphasis? Or never applied de-emphasis in dbpoweramp?

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    IIRC it was ripped as is, no de-emphasis and I didn't bother re-ripping with CD Ripper, as the original rip was an accuraterip.

    I simply applied the ReplayGain Utility Codec.

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    What DSP effects do you have running for TuneFUSION? in what order and their exact settings please.

    Note if TF is set to do a 1:1 copy then the DSP effect is not run, I have added replaygain into TF, removed the old RG tags then ran it and the correct RG value was calculated.
    Last edited by Spoon; 09-14-2021 at 09:41 AM.

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    I am trying to sync my flac library to mp3:



    ID Tag Processing DSP:
    Deletions > Single tags: Encoded by, Encoder, Encoded Settings
    Manipulation > Album Art > Import From: cover.jpg, Maximum Pixel Size: 600x600pixels, Maximum File Size: 59.99 KB (not working)
    Manipulation > Word / Character Replacement
    Manipulation > Rule Based Manipulation
    Additions > Library: mp3

    ReplayGain DSP:
    Write: Track, Album Gain & iTunes Album Normalization
    Advanced Options > Album ID: All Files in Same Folder, Gain Calc.: EBU R128, LUFS: -18, Max. Gain: 25dB, Clip: unchecked


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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    I have added replaygain into TF, removed the old RG tags then ran it and the correct RG value was calculated.
    and if you use batch converter 17.4 and the replaygain utility codec, you get correct or incorrect RG values?

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    Using your exact settings (in TuneFusion) with track 1 I get +3.7db and 0.374084 same as the Music Converter.

    Try uninstalling it, full reboot and reinstall.

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    Try uninstalling it, full reboot and reinstall.
    OK, will do.

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    I'm unsure why my TuneFUSION R1.5 installation was/is playing up, but here's what I've now done.

    1. Uninstalled EVERYTHING Illustrate related and rebooted Windows 10 PC into Safe Mode.

    2. Installed dBpoweramp Reference R17.4 and TuneFUSION R1.5 and rebooted into Safe Mode.

    3. Placed two accuraterip flac albums, one with pre-emphasis and one without, into a test folder and REMOVED the ReplayGain tags from both albums.

    4. Converted the flac albums to mp3 using Batch Converter and the ReplayGain DSP only (Track, Album Gain & iTunes Album Normalization), then checked the RG and iTunes tags and all appears OK.

    5. Converted the flac albums to mp3 using TuneFUSION and the ReplayGain DSP only (Track, Album Gain & iTunes Album Normalization), then checked the RG and iTunes tags and none of these tags are being written.

    I would appreciate some help here.

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    As a test, use one of the dsp effects in tunefusion, such as maximum length set to 30 seconds, does that work?

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    Re: Music Converter vs TuneFUSION ReplayGain

    Maximum Length DSP (10 seconds) works fine.

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