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    Extreme large first track

    Hello all,

    I am trying to rip The Byrds - Turn! Turn! Turn! [1996 Expanded Remaster].
    The first track is supposed to have a duration of 3:53 but shows up in dBpoweramp with a length of 335:36:33. dBpoweramp also does show a hidden first track with a length of 62:08:16.
    As far as I know there shouldn't be a hidden first track. Exact Audio Copy doesn't show the hidden first track and a normal length for the first track. The disc ripped perfectly with EAC, all tracks were ripped accurately.
    I have never seen this before. I ripped hundreds of CD's with dBpoweramp including disc's with a hidden first track.
    My question what's going wrong here? What's causing this ?


    See below the screenshots for both dBpoweramp and EAC.

    dBpoweramp.jpg

    EAC.jpg

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    This CD has Copy Protection, switch the ripping method to 'defective by design', after ripping that disc, set back to normal.

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    The CD is from 1996 so I doubt it's copy protected. There's no mention of copy protection at all.
    EAC ripped it perfectly without mention of a hidden first track and it does mention accurately ripped for all tracks with a confidence of 45 to 47. Cue tools is mentioning a confidence of 102/109.
    I have eight other byrds cd's from the same series (1996-1997 remasters) and they didn't show any problems.

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    Track 1 can't be ripped with dBpoweramp with all 3 ripping methods (secure, burst and defective by design).
    The log does say:

    Track 1: ERROR Ripping LBA 16777203 to 17515 (335:36:33) in 0:00. Filename: D:\01 - Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is a Season).flac

    The Log from EAC does say:

    Track 1

    Filename D:\01 - Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season).wav

    Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

    Peak level 93.3 %
    Extraction speed 5.1 X
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 80481132
    Copy CRC 80481132
    Accurately ripped (confidence 45) [C4EC4953] (AR v2)
    Copy OK

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    Strange is that with dBpoweramp the ripping of track 1 starts at sector 16777203.
    With EAC is starts at 0.
    See below the TOC of the extracted cd from the EAC log:

    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    1 | 0:00.00 | 3:53.40 | 0 | 17514
    2 | 3:53.40 | 2:01.72 | 17515 | 26661
    3 | 5:55.37 | 2:52.65 | 26662 | 39626
    4 | 8:48.27 | 3:33.63 | 39627 | 55664
    5 | 12:22.15 | 2:34.15 | 55665 | 67229
    6 | 14:56.30 | 2:16.62 | 67230 | 77491
    7 | 17:13.17 | 2:30.20 | 77492 | 88761
    8 | 19:43.37 | 2:49.10 | 88762 | 101446
    9 | 22:32.47 | 2:22.00 | 101447 | 112096
    10 | 24:54.47 | 2:22.68 | 112097 | 122814
    11 | 27:17.40 | 3:13.22 | 122815 | 137311
    12 | 30:30.62 | 3:04.20 | 137312 | 151131
    13 | 33:35.07 | 2:33.38 | 151132 | 162644
    14 | 36:08.45 | 1:58.22 | 162645 | 171516
    15 | 38:06.67 | 3:06.70 | 171517 | 185536
    16 | 41:13.62 | 2:39.05 | 185537 | 197466
    17 | 43:52.67 | 2:16.05 | 197467 | 207671
    18 | 46:08.72 | 3:03.53 | 207672 | 221449

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    Try enabling the Prevent Detection of Hidden First Track option.

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    That doesn't work. Track 1 still appears with a length of 335:36:33

    It's not a big deal as I have a good rip with EAC but I am just wondering why I can't get it ripped with dBpoweramp which is my preferred ripping software.

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    For the record: The rip (with EAC) plays fine. No audible errors.

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    Hmm, odd. What dBpoweramp platform/version are you running? Have you another optical drive you can try?

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    I use version 16.6 in combination with Windows 10.
    I don't have an other drive available. I have this drive for a couple of months and ripped already many cd's with it. My previous drive was a ASUS DRW-24D5MT but the percentage of cd's that i couldn't rip was too high. The Liteon drive I have now ripped most of the cd's that i couldn't rip with the ASUS drive. So far I am happy with this drive.

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    dBpoweramp reads the TOC with a different ATAPI command to EAC (we ask for in LBA, eac asks for in minutes:seconds), I have seen a drive with buggy firmware give different tocs depending on which call is made, where obviously the same toc value should be returned.

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    Thank you very much for your answer Spoon.
    So the disc is fine but it's the drive's firmware that's messing up ?
    It doesn't appear to be a big problem as I ripped over 100 cd's with this drive and it's the first time that this problem occurs.
    For these kind of problems it's good to have both dBpoweramp and EAC.

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    Re: Extreme large first track

    Yes

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