Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

[nwpsys]

I have an "Album by Release" container underneath an "Album Artist" container and it correctly shows be all the albums for that artist with the release year prefixed to the album name - all good so far.

However all the control point applications I use ( Asset Control, Naim app, Hi-Fi Cast on Android ) the albums are shown in reverse-chronological order with the newest first and the container is presented in such a way as to make the albums unsortable so I can't get them in chronological order.

I have been through all the settings and can't find a way to change this presentation.

Is this possible and I have just missed it somewhere ?

Alternatively is there another way I can set up containers where I can click on an artist and then get presented with all the albums in release year chronological order ?

Thanks.

Nige

[vilsen]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

Alternatively is there another way I can set up containers where I can click on an artist and then get presented with all the albums in release year chronological order ?

Yes, by using an album sort tag, e.g.

ALBUM SORT=1969 - Abbey Road

or even

ALBUM SORT=1969-09-26 - Abbey Road


* Also set "Artist sort handling" to "Use sort order to display". I think that "Display in sort and non-sort locations" will work too but I haven't tried.

* You must use ALBUM SORT, not ALBUMSORT


With these settings the albums will be displayed chronologically (but without the year prefix, if it's important to you).

[vilsen]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

Well, I just discovered that if you set the a-z listing on the album container (in the configuration), it is ruined if you also use album sort to achieve a chronological listing. Since album sort then begins with a number, all albums will only be found under "0-9".

Not sure if this could be considered a bug or if it's just normal sorting behaviour...

No issue though if you don't use the a-z setting (as far as I can see at least).


EDIT: I don't think this is a bug. Nevertheless, it would be nice to find a work-around - but it's probably not so easy.

[nwpsys]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

Thanks for your replies, vilsen

Not had a lot of luck, possibly around the fact that both my tagging tools ( Tag & Rename and MP3TAG ) don't allow me to edit a tag called "ALBUM SORT" only "ALBUMSORT".

I have tried adding the year into the ALBUMSORT field anyway and adjusted the artist sort handling to try all options, but nothing happens to change the order of the album list.

I'm also not sure why the artist sort handling field would have any impact here as it is album sort handling I am trying to manipulate.

Oh yes, I don't use A-Z so I'm not impacted by that issue.

[nwpsys]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

I think I need to read this first ! https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthr...n-FLAC-ignored

[vilsen]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

both my tagging tools ( Tag & Rename and MP3TAG ) don't allow me to edit a tag called "ALBUM SORT" only "ALBUMSORT".

I think you can setup mp3tag to write ALBUM SORT, try to ask at their forum. It should work for FLAC at least (mp3 is less straightforward, so I'm not sure).

I cannot make this work with ALBUMSORT, so I think that ALBUM SORT is required in Asset.

Even if the artist sort handling seems irrelevant, you'll see that this setting is required once you try with ALBUM SORT instead.

Also it's best to say that I have tested only in Windows (with FLAC) - sometimes other Asset versions work slightly different.

[vilsen]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

Something weird going on with the forum - post *5 @ 02:52 wasn't there when I wrote post *6 @ 05:12

[nwpsys]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

Thanks again for your help, vilsen.

Even though I think I have ALBUM SORT correctly set now via tag mapping in MP3TAG, I am still not able to get Asset to take any notice of it.



I think I'm going to manage with the "Album By Release" container in the "wrong" order although it would be good to find out if that can be made sortable by the UPNP control programs.

[nwpsys]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

What a tit ! I had the mapping for ALBUMSORT to ALBUM SORT the wrong way round in MP3TAG.

Now I have I sorted that I am getting the album order displayed how I wish

Thanks again !

[vilsen]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

Glad you got it working!


Spoon, for the next release of Asset, may I suggest that "Artist sort handling" be changed to e.g. "Sorting tags handling" for the sake of clarity.

Btw, are there any plans for a new release for Windows during next year?

[Luften]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

Yes, by using an album sort tag, e.g.

ALBUM SORT=1969 - Abbey Road

Thank you for this, I just tested it with the albums under one artist and it worked for me. However, one album didn't sort! It's weirdly sitting at the bottom of the list instead of being around the middle based on the date tag. The dates only have the year written into them, and the Album Sort tags across all of the albums were all written using the same script in foobar so they're consistent. I checked after as well and it's written correctly. Any ideas why one album might be misbehaving?

[Spoon]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

Try PerfectTUNES >> ID Tags >> recommendations

it can detect non-consitent sort values.

[Luften]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

Try PerfectTUNES >> ID Tags >> recommendations

it can detect non-consitent sort values.

Hi Spoon. I tried it but it didn't detect any inconsistencies, and so there were no changes to make unfortunately. Any other ideas?

[Luften]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

I just tested a few other things:

- I converted the album in foobar to new .flac files, and chose not to carry over the metadata/tags to give it a fresh start. Repopulated them from freedb and added the album sort tag, but it still didn't sit in order. Now there are two copies at the bottom of the list.
- In foobar, removed tags. Manually populated the Album, Artist, Album Artist, Genre, Date and Album Sort tags. Still didn't work.
- Tried changing the date to another year and tried copying the Album Sort entry from another album onto this one, but it still didn't move. It's staying at the bottom of the list.

[Spoon]

Re: Sort order of the "Album by Release" container

What is the album name? what happens if you do not put any album sort value? Also when you rescan you have to do a 'refresh all' to clear any old sort value from the database.