Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

I would write Unknown (or maybe something wider like USA) in the VENUE tag and write additional info in the COMMENT tag

Hi evasv,

I have chosen to not use the COMMENTS field a while back; so I would prefer to not break consistency here if possible, thanks.

I was thinking something like:

Long Beach / Santa Monica / Berkeley / Phoenix

... but theoretically - of course - this is not correct as it implies the track was recorded (LIVE!) in FOUR locations!

Perhaps I may be better off with: 'UNKNOWN'.

Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

If you list multiple times in this case, I think we should send the OCD police to your house to have you committed.

Ha ha. Maybe I am taking it all a bit too seriously!

[evasv]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

Maybe "Long Beach or Santa Monica or Berkeley or Phoenix" ?

Doesn't look cool but at least it contains all the info.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

Maybe "Long Beach or Santa Monica or Berkeley or Phoenix" ?

Doesn't look cool but at least it contains all the info.

Hi evasv,

Will this interfere with searches?

Paul

[evasv]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

Well the real problem arises when the duplicate composer has composer two of the middle-placed songs! Then it gets really confusing!

If you have a MEDLEY (lets use the same model as earlier):

TITLE: The Muse~Lose Yourself~The Wrestler~Happy~The Lion King

COMPOSER: Elton John; Eminem; Bruce Springsteen; Pharrell; Elton John

... and you ran a search for (say) 'Pharrell'. Then would the result be the ENTIRE medley (ie. The Muse~Lose Yourself~The Wrestler~Happy~The Lion King)? I mean, it is not going to decipher the buried track "Happy" is it?

I'm not sure you realize that if you tag like that in the software, it would be written like this in the metadata:

TITLE=The Muse~Lose Yourself~The Wrestler~Happy~The Lion King
COMPOSER=Elton John
COMPOSER=Eminem
COMPOSER=Bruce Springsteen
COMPOSER=Pharrell
COMPOSER=Elton John

The duplication of Elton John is unnecessary though, and the order in which the composers are written doesn't matter since they all relate to the whole title, not the medley parts.

The tagging software, and also the server and the player, doesn't know that this is a medley. It's just one title with four separate composers.

[evasv]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

Hi evasv,

Will this interfere with searches?

Paul

No, I think it will be ok to search for e.g. Berkeley (if you can search within the VENUE tag in the software).

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

I'm not sure you realize that if you tag like that in the software, it would be written like this in the metadata:

TITLE=The Muse~Lose Yourself~The Wrestler~Happy~The Lion King
COMPOSER=Elton John
COMPOSER=Eminem
COMPOSER=Bruce Springsteen
COMPOSER=Pharrell
COMPOSER=Elton John

The duplication of Elton John is unnecessary though, and the order in which the composers are written doesn't matter since they all relate to the whole title, not the medley parts.

The tagging software, and also the server and the player, doesn't know that this is a medley. It's just one title with four separate composers.

Thanks a lot evasv,

I thought that something like that would be how the metadata was handled, but seeing it written down - as you have done - has really helped me to visualise it.

On my new Sony Walkman (which was faulty and recently returned/refunded), I am sure it listed all of the COMPOSERS of a MEDLEY, and in the same ORDER I had typed them in (ie. as per above MEDLEY example); which is why I have been maintaining the order of COMPOSER/SONG.

Cheers,

Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

No, I think it will be ok to search for e.g. Berkeley (if you can search within the VENUE tag in the software).

Foobar lets me search for 'Berkeley' (location) and comes up with the correct track; so that's good!

[evasv]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

On my new Sony Walkman (which was faulty and recently returned/refunded), I am sure it listed all of the COMPOSERS of a MEDLEY, and in the same ORDER I had typed them in (ie. as per above MEDLEY example); which is why I have been maintaining the order of COMPOSER/SONG.

Every tag value has a place in the metadata, so you could say that there is the first placed composer and the second placed composer and so on. When listed, the could appear in that place order, or alphabetically. But the order doesn't relate to a certain part of the title/track.

The place order could also be changed if you edit the tags or if you are using more than one tagging software (the metadata could be rewritten by the second software).

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

Every tag value has a place in the metadata, so you could say that there is the first placed composer and the second placed composer and so on. When listed, the could appear in that place order, or alphabetically. But the order doesn't relate to a certain part of the title/track.

OK, I see. That's great, thanks.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

Hi,

I have a CD by Tony Bennett called "Duets":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duets_...Bennett_album)

I am not sure how to tag the ARTIST SORT for the shared track with vocalist K. D. Lang, please?

I have:

ARTIST: Tony Bennett; K. D. Lang

But for ARTIST SORT, what do I state for the latter, please?:

ARTIST SORT: Bennett, Tony; Lang ...

Many thanks,

Paul

[Oggy]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

Hi,

I have a CD by Tony Bennett called "Duets":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duets_...Bennett_album)

I am not sure how to tag the ARTIST SORT for the shared track with vocalist K. D. Lang, please?

I have:

ARTIST: Tony Bennett; K. D. Lang

But for ARTIST SORT, what do I state for the latter, please?:

ARTIST SORT: Bennett, Tony; Lang ...

Many thanks,

Paul

Hi Paul,

Bennett, Tony; Lang, K.D.

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

Hi Paul,

Bennett, Tony; Lang, K.D.

That's great Oggy.

Will sort it now ...

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

Maybe "Long Beach or Santa Monica or Berkeley or Phoenix" ?

Doesn't look cool but at least it contains all the info.

Hi,

I have the same question with Tony Bennett's "Duets', please:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duets_...Bennett_album)

Obviously the Mariah Carey and Andrea Bocelli tracks were recorded in their respective studios:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x6m...ew?usp=sharing

But for the remainder of tracks (all 15!), I think I will have to list the VENUE tag similar to that of the 'Weather Report' CD (above evasv quote).

Thanks,

Paul

[monsterjazzlick]

Re: Tags, Tags, and more Tags ...

... which would look something like!:

VENUE = Abbey Road Studios, London or Avatar Studios, New York or Bennett Studios, New Jersey or Ben's Studio, Nashville or Capitol Studios, Hollywood or Henson Recording Studios, Hollywood