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    Confused: hidden tracks & Accurate Rip

    Hi

    I have about a dozen CDs with hidden tracks on them. I'm not talking about songs that get tagged on the back of an offcial and sits within the same track. What I mean is so-called "track 0" songs. When I run PerfectTunes to verify they are accurate, I always end up with an error stating "Cannot Check: Incomplete Album".

    However, this error persists whether the hidden track has been ripped to file or not. For example, "Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf" has 15 official tracks and 1 track zero. When I scan the album including the track zero with PerfectTunes, I get the error message. When I rip the album without the track zero and scan it, I get the same error. Differing settings (Album matching Grouped by Folder) have no impact. Also, the log file never reports the hidden track. They all look the same. What am I missing?

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    Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf   [AccurateRip DiscIDs: 015-0022e6db-01882b50-e10e8b0f]        Cannot Check: Incomplete Album
      Track 1: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\01-You Think I Ain't Worth A Dollar, But I Feel Like A Millionaire, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 2: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\02-No One Knows, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 3: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\03-First It Giveth, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 4: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\04-A Song For The Dead, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 5: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\05-The Sky Is Fallin', Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 6: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\06-Six Shooter, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 7: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\07-Hangin' Tree, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 8: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\08-Go With The Flow, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 9: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\09-Gonna Leave You, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 10: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\10-Do It Again, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 11: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\11-God Is In The Radio, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 12: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\12-Another Love Song, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 13: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\13-A Song For The Deaf, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 14: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\14-Mosquito Song, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac
      Track 15: D:\Public\Music Rips\Queens Of The Stone Age\Songs For The Deaf\15-Everybody's Gonna Be Happy, Queens Of The Stone Age-1.flac

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    Re: Confused: hidden tracks & Accurate Rip

    The Tags have a track count of 16?

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    Re: Confused: hidden tracks & Accurate Rip

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    The Tags have a track count of 16?
    There are either 16 tracks in the folder, numbered 0-15, or 15 tracks numbered 1-15. Either way, the error occurs and the log for both cases are identical.

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    Re: Confused: hidden tracks & Accurate Rip

    It is the total track count in the tags which is important here.

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    Re: Confused: hidden tracks & Accurate Rip

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    It is the total track count in the tags which is important here.
    Total track count is 16. (metadata on track 15 shows "15/16" for Tag "Track").

    I guess it expects 15 as the total? Should I rip that CD in two stages?

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    Re: Confused: hidden tracks & Accurate Rip

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    It is the total track count in the tags which is important here.
    Based on that tip, I changed the Total Track number in the metadata of the FLAC files from 16 to 15. PerfectTunes now does indeed verify the album against AccurateRip and verifies 15 tracks as accurate (Track 0 was skipped, which I can see as it is not an official part of the album. Also, track 0 cannot always be ripped succesfully to begin with so I guess there are not many submissions anyway).

    But this begs a question whether DBPowerAmp creates the correct metadata tags. DBA can identify whether there is a hidden track. If there is one, it should not include these hidden tracks when it calculates the total number of tracks on the album. For now, the workaround is to manually edit the "Total Track" tag in all ripped CDs manually. Not too pleasant.

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    Re: Confused: hidden tracks & Accurate Rip

    Old thread to necromance:

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoon View Post
    It is the total track count in the tags which is important here.
    I spent an hour or so on that, as PerfectTunes reported an album to be incomplete. Turns out that I had tagged a multi-CD set using foo_discogs, and thereby gotten the grand total into the tag.
    But those of us who ripped using dBpoweramp, have ACCURATERIPDISCID tags, which should identify each track uniquely anyway. Then there is hardly any need to even read the total, although I'd have appreciated if PerfectTunes were kind enough to tell me that the field was objectionable.

    Also, CUETools' ACCURATERIPID tag with track number tags should be sufficient (or even - at least in the absence of HTOA - track lengths, but that could be more work to implement).
    Even, if PerfectTunes finds all audio tracks in a single folder to belong to the same album, then track numbers should be sufficient (or track lengths).

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    Re: Confused: hidden tracks & Accurate Rip

    But here is an error. An album with 11 tracks, which PerfectTunes verifies as an accurate rip of an AccurateRip-id of an album with 18.

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