We do not turn it on by default as not many drives can rip HTOA
Spoon
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I don't think the option can be relied on 100% of the time, in EAC you have to manually set the start time, this is a smart guess which is likely to be wrong on copy protected discs
Spoon
www.dbpoweramp.com
How is this dealt with in the Batch Ripper? Just one more flag we will need. I have never had a problem with ripping a HTOA track in EAC.
It seems to me it is not dealt with in Batch Ripper. I would at least have wanted a flag, so that I can detect a HTOA disc and manually rip that track afterwards. (I'd like discs with non-audio content to be flagged as well.)
HTOA is not delt at all with Batch Ripper.
Spoon
www.dbpoweramp.com
HTOA would never have meta data, the track does not exist.
Spoon
www.dbpoweramp.com
If HTOA tracks are the ones often referred to, such as Songs in the Key of X, and identified in EAC as the first track in red, then in fact they often, almost always have had meta data from freedb.
And what do you mean, they do not exist? They are just hidden.
No it is the track before that red one (my understanding of EAC is not 100%), the track 0 cannot have a name in any meta data database as it has no name on the insert, it is hidden.
Spoon
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The track before the red one? No, the red one, in my experience, has always come before the first named track. Often, there is actually a title to the song. The band may play it in live sets or fans find out the name elsewhere, but often there is still a name.
Eli - that's not what I remember from EAC (though I haven't used it in over a year). IIRC, if there's HTOA, EAC turns Track 01 red, to let you know to manually extract the HTOA. Please correct me if I am wrong.
On the other hand, I don't fully understand why the batch ripper or the cd ripper don't automatically *try* to get the HTOA.
While most drives can't do it, they'll typically either a) error out at the attempt or b) appear to succeed but return null audio values. At the very worst case, the batch ripper should be able to be configured to automatically reject discs that appear to have HTOA and note that reason in the logs so that the operator can use the cd ripper to manually extract them.
Riptastic! has had support for HTOA for years now. On drives that support HTOA, it would automatically extract it, giving it a generic title of Track 00 (or something) similar since there is never metadata for the track (it's not part of the cddb standard, from what I understand).
-brendan
EAC successfully rips HTOA into WAV or FLAC image (tested a couple of days ago on my Sony XL1 changer, I may do further tests if anyone requests it).
For Batch Ripper purposes, I definitely think that the HTOA should be read, and if it does not rip properly -- or there is a risk that it returns zeroes -- then the disc should be flagged. Same goes for discs containing non-audio tracks. For batch ripping you need at least logs to rely on, and a batch ripper which pretends that everything is OK is worse than one which rejects these discs.
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