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ward
06-18-2008, 06:43 AM
I really need the input of the pros, both manufactures and avid
enthusiast to these forums. I've been reading here and over on Hydrogen Audio forums for about 6
months anxiously awaiting R13, leaving EAC behind. When i read that
Rc13 was available last week I just purchased a full registered copy
and installed it onto a completely reformatted p4 just today, and am now
the happy owner of a seagate external 1 Terabyte external USB 2 HD.

So im totally ready after tweaking windows xp sp3 and all updates and
all peripherals updated, turn off the screen saver etc. This computer
is just for ripping my cd collection now and asking questions like this.

I'm about to image it to have a perfect restorable image if anything
happens and i just want to ask some questions that i haven't seen in
the faq's nor using the search functions. Honestly i have pages i have
saved but it seems every time i try to get a definitive answer someone
else has another opinion and i can't remember things like does c2
matter if im using ultra secure ripping mode?

First my ripper and im still slightly confused here.
I did some reading back in January on Hydrogen Audio as well as here
about what the "best Ripper" was for my purposes of ultimate archiving. After
Reading the tests i seemed to get the impression that the Plextor 230A was a really winner, but it was
discontinued. I managed to track down 2 brand new units and i was ever
so happy but reading around now i see it doesn't support c2 errors.

Keep in mind this is really the last time i want to rip my cd
collection for a few years. I'm planning to scan every cd cover,
jacket, back, inner sleeve for every one of my 3000+ cd's , yes a
monumental task but i want some high quality graphics to play with that
is fututre proof with some large resolution TIFF scans.

So keeping that in mind i am planning to use Ultra Secure Rip
Exclusively only for music cd ripping to wav to flac ( or with 1
terabyte i might see if wav storage will work )
like i said i have around 3000 cd's purchase from the very earliest
days of cd's 1982 approximately to present. I used to do a huge radio
show so i would say that 50% of my cd's definitely have some wear on
them moderate scratches but nothing like car cd's scratches etc. The
other 50% will be in very good shape. Keeping all that in mind

Anyways the questions that i desperately want your opinions on and so
definately answers are i have read the help file and want to confim ask for verification i
have the right settings

1.) the settings for ultra secure ripping on my 230a plextor are;

Enable Ultra Secure Ripping Checked
Ultra Passes: 3-6-2
Maximum number of Re-Reads: 50
Drive read Cache 1024 KB
Add To Information Log (shown after ripping)

Manufacturer: PLEXTOR
CD Drive: CD-R PX-230A
Firmware: 1.03
Serial:
Maximum Speed: 9173 KB/sec (x52)
Current Speed: 9173 KB/sec (x52)
Spin-down After: 2 minutes
Buffer Size: 2 MB
Accurate Stream: Yes
C2 Error Pointers: Yes
Reads ISRC: Yes
Reads UPC: Yes


however when i test a scratched cd it says either its not scratched or
doesn't support c2 should i leave it checked or not? i cant seem to get
a straight answer on this I just read that it does not have C1/C2 error handling in it on another
forum so im really confused.

i was reading a quote from spoon over on HA about the 230A

"If we ignore HTOA and lead in/out, do you still rate the drive as

highly as you did? If not, what is now your personal favourite drive

for use with dBPowerAmp? -Phil

"Yes" -Spoon


Also in that same thread Spoon said the 230A would be a good second
drive "Your 2nd drive would be a 230a or similar for maximum recovery."

Nov 30 2007



So i guess i would ask Spoon or anyone if time is no concern only
quality and accuracy of the ripping process would the 230A be the
best for my purposes?


2.) advice on my other cd ripper options. Remeber i really need the
best cd ripping for my purposes of long time archival, so i can store
these cumbersome cd's in my storage boxes and retire them to the rafters
and be secure that i got the Best secure rips that are technically
feasible at this time.

That why i got R13 i was really impressed with its abilities that seems
to eclipse EAC but im not hear for any EAC vs R13 debate. I've made up
my mind payed my money and really want to enjoy ripping my collection
to hard drive.

So iHTOA and lead in/out important for my collection? i'm really lost
here.

these are the drives i can get access to and put in the same computer
as the 230A or ANY drive you pro's feel would be better for my collection.


Lite-On It Corp.
Model LTN-486S
December 2004

Plextor PX-712A

Plextor PX-708A
August 2003

Plextor PX-W2410TA
July 2001


It occurs to me that if i use the 230A should i have another slave
drive that has c2 error correction, if so which is the best for c2
error correction in Ultra secure ripping mode?


i have many more questions but some like creating profiles and why i
will read up on myself, i just really wanted a caring guiding hand to
walk me through this setup and if i have the correct setting before i
start this huge job.

Is there anything i can include in the rip to prove it was accurate or
is that automatic? I don't know a thing about check sum files and cue
files so while those prove it was an accurate rip? Again forgive my
ignorance but i need to restart somewhere.

So thank you for your kindness, patience and help.

Ward

Spoon
06-18-2008, 07:15 AM
The 230a does support c2, but in your instance it is not (you must test it is a quite badly scratched CD, even buy a cheap cd and write with a black marker pen on the CD, draw a 1 cm x 1 cm square in the middle of the disc, then test for c2. It could be how you connect the 230a to the comuter preventing c2 from working, or your user account might be limited access rights.

EliC
06-18-2008, 08:42 AM
I would recomend using the PX-712 for your primary drive, with over-reading enabled. You will basically never hear the difference, but you sound like me and don't want to miss anything when ripping and the 230 won't be able to read into the lead in/out

ward
06-18-2008, 05:36 PM
Alright another slight round of questions, since it now appears ill be using the 230A only only scratched discs, looking at the web site i found in another thread and filtering out http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/search.php

it appears that what is most desireable is

Accurate Stream YES
Caching NO
C2 errors YES
Overread BOTH
HTOA YES (Blank on most)

so from that list it appears only the Plextor PX-40TS does all of these and its a scsi drive! I'm really not anxious to go scsi again but is that really the only drive out there that does all these?

If i decided to skip the HTOA could i find a list of discs that have HTOA and come up with a work around just for those discs?

if thats the case then i have a FEW more option and only a FEW

ACTIMA A40T

and all the rest are Plextors

PLEXTOR

PX-32TS SCSI 1997 discontinued
PX-40TS SCSI 1998 discontinued
PX-40TSUW SCSI 1999 discontinued
PX-800A this appears to be still avaliable!!!
PX-W1210TA ATAPI 2000 discontinued
PX-W1210TS ATAPI 2000 discontinued
PX-W124TS SCSI (i had this drive years ago but its discontinued now)
PX-W8220T SCSI 1999
PX-W8432T can find info assuming another SCSI Discontinued




so from that research it appears that only

ACTIMA A40T
PLEXTOR PX-800A

will do what is best in DAE :thumbup:

another consideration is the

PLEXTOR PX-800A sample offset is +48 and defiantely doesn't do HTOA
ACTIMA A40T sample offset is +680 but the HTOA column is blank


since it appears these are the ONLY drives could someone give me + or - against them ?


I'm really trying here but no matter how much research i do i always seem to msis something AFTER i have bought drives *sigh* :vmad:


so Spoon or EliC could you help me out here?


oh and also Spoon on the 230A i have administrator rights on the computer to do c2 error reading, it is the master on the second IDE channel ill have to deliberately damage a cd i dont like i think there was a walkthorugh for that some where just to get C2 errors checked.....

please help here guys i'm starting to pull my hair out :(

bhoar
06-18-2008, 05:49 PM
Two small things.

1. DAEFeatures.co.uk isn't always correct. Use it a guide, not a reference.

2. Slight modification to your comments below


it appears that what is most desireable is

Accurate Stream YES
Caching NO OR support for FUA
C2 errors YES
Overread BOTH
HTOA YES (Blank on most)

Also, if the cache ends up being very small, that can mitigate the slow re-read issue even if the drive does not support FUA.

-brendan

ward
06-18-2008, 06:22 PM
bhoar i've seen your posts around here so i trust your advice. So in your informed opinion would the Plextor PX-800A be a good drive? I can find an incredible deal rigth now for

Price: $69.99
Less Rebate: - $30.00 mail-in rebate

Final Price: $39.99*

it so flippin cheap would this be a good steal for my ultimate ripper?

bhoar
06-18-2008, 07:55 PM
I'll let spoon handle that, I'm not familiar with the px-800.

-brendan

ward
06-18-2008, 10:17 PM
alright it was a great price and i got one but reading up on it i see its actually a poor DAE drive so im back to square one.

So DAEFeatures.co.uk is a guide, not a reference.

So now i have no refrence to compare drives.

It's really getting absurd trying to figure out my simple question.

My one and ONLY concern is ultimate quality DAE it must work with DBPowerAmp R13 in Ultra Secure Mode

it must have c2 support

it must be internal IDE (atapi)

HTOA, lead in lead out, would prefer them if it doesn't detract from the performance of the rip

price, time to rip,


i really want an informed person to say this is the drive you want, its like everyone has an NDA over them and is afraid to mention models.

Here are all the dirves i NOW have to choose from
if they aren't the absolute bast please TELL me what drive IS the best exclusively for DAE. And if you do like any of these dirve below please tell me why its better then the others

what drives i NOW currently have (only interested in DAE)

Plextor
PX-800A
PX-320A
PX-712A
PX-708A
PX-W2410TA

Lite-On It Corp.
Model LTN-486S


Again guys please help me find the ultimate Drive for DAE...pretty please??!!:thumbup:

EliC
06-18-2008, 10:46 PM
your 708 and 712 are both VERY GOOD DRIVES.

ward
06-18-2008, 11:10 PM
thank you EliC for naming my drives the 708 and 712.

Do you have a prefrence and why do you like them over say the 230A?

Thank again for your input i highly value it.

EliC
06-18-2008, 11:49 PM
you will find that some of your problem discs rip fine in one drive or another. In general it has been shown that the 230 does quite well with problem discs. However the 708 and 712 can both over-read and do HTOA, support FUA, and C2. Use them for most of your discs and if there are some you have problems with use the 230

ward
06-19-2008, 03:39 AM
Thanks a bunch EliC that's what i needed to hear. I put the 708A as the master on IDE channel 1 and 230A as slave on the same channel. Finally got both drives to recognize c2 errors. Ill post some info and let you guys critique my setting thanks again!
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