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Spoon
01-09-2003, 05:01 PM
This is the first public appearance of AccurateRip, dBpowerAMP Music Converters new feature to make rips more accurate. For an explination on how it works, visit here:

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?threadid=1402

Needless to say it is a large database system, but only the database is not too large at the moment, that is where you lot come in :) One word to note, the system will not activate until it has been configured and it will not configure unless you have one of the disks listed below.

First install these two installs:

dMC Release 10 Beta 3:
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/beta/dMC-r10beta3.exe

1.59 MB

AccurateRip dB:
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/beta/dMC-AccurateRip-db.exe

234 KB

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Instructions

** Important, please do not use Queen Made in heaven to find the offset - this disc has corrupt results **

Insert a disc that is listed below whilst Audio CD Input is running, it should recognise the disc and offer to configure AccurateRip (if not bear in mind that many of the discs listed below have different pressings, for different countries). If after finding the offsets it reports your drive does not support accurate streaming then you are not able to take part (yet).

Have the drive configured? make a note of the Smaple Offset (also shown on the Options page) and visit:

http://www.ping.be/satcp/eacoffsets01.htm

and see if it got it right. Next with that recognising disc still in the drive, select the Rip Menu >> Rip to >> Test Conversion (No Write) and rip the CD, make a note of the results. For this first disc I would like to know what the disc was, if your drive offset matches those on that page, and if it said it was accurately ripped.

After that you can help populate the AccurateRip database (possibly by re-ripping your entire collection!), give each disc a light clean before ripping, if you have two drives you can rip on one drive then 'Test Conversion' on the other drive to see which rips are Accurate.

Supply your rip results by emailling the file:

C:\Program Files\Illustrate\dBpowerAMP\AccurateRip\
AccurateRipUpload.bin

to dbpoweramp@dbpoweramp.com

be sure to DELETE this file after emailling.

Spoon
01-09-2003, 05:02 PM
There are currently 248 Discs in the accurate rip database they are:

1927 - The Other Side
50 Years of Vox Recordings 1945-1995 - CD 3
Abel Ganz - The Dangers Of Strangers
Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill
All Saints - All Saints
Amancio Prada - Emboscados
Andrew Skeoch& Sarah Koschak - A Morning in the Australian Bush
Australian Cast (1992) - Jesus Christ Superstar
Barbra Streisand & Celine Dion - Tell him
Beatles, The - 1
Belinda Carlisle - Little Black Book
Beyoncé - Work It Out
Bloodhound Gang - One Fierce Beer Coaster
Blur - Parklife
Bluth, Messina, and Chattin - Live At Orfeo
Bob Marley & The Wailers - Live!
Bond is Back - 007 Themes
Bonnie Raitt - Nick Of Time
Brad Fiedel - Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Busta Rhymes - Turn it up / Fire it up (Remix)
Catatonia - International Velvet
Celine Dion - All The Way - A Decade Of Song
Charanga Habana All Stars - Havana ALL STAR Charanga
Charley Pride - Charley Pride's Greatest
Coptic Rain - The Last World
Corrs - Talk On Corners
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday
Danny - Make A Wish
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
De La Soul - Three Feet High And Rising
Deni Hines - Imagination
Diesel - Hepfidelity
Don Campell - Music for the Mozart Effect Volume II
Don Campell - Music for the Mozart Effect, Volume I
Don Henley - The End Of The Innocence
Double Indemnity - Songs That Get You InThe Heart
Electronic - Electronic
Elton John - The One
Elton John - The Very Best Of - Disc 2
Elton John - The Very Best Of-CD1
Enigma - MCMXC a.D.
Enya - A Day Without Rain
Enya - Shepherd Moons
Enya - The Celts
Enya - The Memory of Trees
Eric Clapton - Unplugged
Fatboy Slim - You've Come a Long Way, Baby
Fine Young Cannibals - The Raw & The Remix
Félicien - Cum-Cum Mania
Gabrielle - Rise
Garbage - Garbage
Garbage - Version 2.0
Genesis - We Can't Dance
Gloria Estefan - Cuts Both Ways
Gordon Hempton - Earth Sounds Sampler
H Town - Knockin' Da Boots
Human Nature - Counting Down
Human Nature - Counting Down (Album Bonus Disk)
Iced Earth - Horror Show / Tribute to the Godz bonus
Inspiral Carpets - Devil Hopping
JEAN MICHEL JARRE - IN CONCERT LYON/HOUSTEN
James Homer London Symphony Orchestra - Braveheart - Original Motion Pi
James Horner - Aliens
James Horner - Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
James Horner - Titanic
Jean Michel Jarre - Les Chants Magnétiques
Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene
Jean Michel Jarre - Rendez-Vous
Jean-Michel Jarre - Révolutions
Jim Reeves - The best of Jim Reeves
Jimmy Barnes - Chain of Fools EP
Jimmy Barnes - Soul Deeper
Jimmy Barnes - Soul Deeper Bonus Disc
John Farnham - Then Again...
John Williams - Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace
Joy Division - Substance
LTJ Bukem - Mixmag Live! vol. 3 LTJ Bukem
La siguiente pagina - Super-nova
Ladysmith Black Mambazo - Shaka Zulu
Like a Shadow - Demo
Lilith - Field Notes
MCM Electronics - Diagnostic Test CD
Madonna - Erotica
Madonna - Greatest Hits Volume 2
Mariah Carey - Music Box
Massive Attack - Protection
Meat Loaf - Bat Out Of Hell
Meat Loaf - Dead Ringer
Michael Bolton - Time, Love and Tenderness
Michael Jackson - HIStory - Past, Present and Future - Book 1
Michael Jackson - HIStory: Past, Present And Future, Book 1 Disc 2
Michael Jackson - Thriller
Missy Elliott - Supa Dupa Fly
Mob.dick - gangsta harmony
Moby - Bodyrock
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
Mozart - Mozart:Eine kleine Nachtmusik, Three Salzburg Symphonies
Murdo McRae - Australian Contemporary Collection
Nature - Storms -- Thunder & Rain
Neil Young with Crazy Horse - Big Time
New Order - BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert
New Order - Movement
New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies
New Order - Substance (Disc 1)
New Order - The John Peel Sessions
New Order - The Peel Sessions
Nirvana - Nevermind
Noiseworks - Love versus Money
Off the beat - FLAIL
Oliver Shanti & Friends - Well Balanced
Orlando Pops Orchestra - An Evening with Andrew Lloyd Webber
Orlando Pops Orchestra - The Genius of Andrew Lloyd Webber
Orlando Pops Orchestra - The Magic Of Andrew Lloyd Webber
Orlando Pops Orchestra - The Music The Magic
P.M. Dawn - Of The Heart, Of The Soul And Of The Cross: The Utopia Expe
Paul Young - From Time To Time (The Singles
Pearl Jam - Costa Rica
Pet Shop Boys - Actually
Pet Shop Boys - Behaviour
Peter Kater - How the West Was Lost - Volume Two
Prince & The New Power Generation - Diamonds And Pearls
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
Public Enemy - Yo! Bum Rush the Show
Putumayo Artists - Equation The Lucky Few
Queen - Made In Heaven
Queen - Queen Rocks
Quiet Riot - Metal Health
R. Carlos Nakai - Earth Spirit
REM - Automactic For The People
Radiohead - Pablo Honey
Radiohead - The Bends
Relaxation & Meditation with Music & Nature - Distant Shores
Richard Durrant's - Duellin' Banjos
Rodgau Monotones - Live Plus (CD 2)
SPC - Juegos de Amor
Savage Garden - Affirmation
Savage Garden - Savage Garden
Seal - Seal
Serum - Serum 490
Simply Red - Stars
Sinead O'Connor - I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got
Songs of the Vaisnavas - A day at the Temple Volume I
Soundtrack - Eiskalte Engel
Spandau Ballet - Journeys To Glory
Stephen Warbeck - Shakespeare in Love
Stevens, Cat - 1970 - Tea For The Tillerman
Super Butter Dog - Freeway
Suzi Quatro - The Most of Suzi Quatro
TLC - Fanmail
TQ - They Never Saw Me Coming
Taylor Dayne - Can't Fight Fate
Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No. 1 in B Flat Minor. Opus 23
TerryMcMillan - Somebody's Comin'
The 1999 Manchaster United Squad - Lift It High (All About Belief)
The Beach Boys - Summer Dreams
The Cardigans - Gran Turismo
The Commitments - The Commitments Soundtrack
The Commitments - The Commitments Vol. 2
The Corrs - Talk On Corners
The Cranberries - Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We?
The Hollies - All-Time Greatest Hits
The Lightning Seeds - Like You Do... Best of The Lightning Seeds
The Shamen - Hyperreal [single]
The Stone Roses - Turns Into Stone
Tina Arena - don't ask
Tracy Chapman - Tracy Chapman
VARIOUS ARTISTS - The Bodyguard
VOX - 50 Years of VOX Recordings 1945-1995: Disc 2
Vangelis - Antarctica
Vangelis - Blade Runner
Vangelis - El Greco
Vangelis - L'Apocalypse Des Animaux
Vangelis - Oceanic
Vangelis - Opera Sauvage
Vangelis - Themes
Various - 25 Classical Favorites
Various - Chopin's Fantasy
Various - Classical Masterpieces
Various - Club Mix Ibiza 2000
Various - Club Mix Ibiza 2000
Various - Discover the Classics, Sound And Vision
Various - FOREVER - Love Songs
Various - Fresh Hits 99
Various - Fresh Hits 99 - Cd2
Various - Gran Turismo
Various - Hits Of The War Years CD 3
Various - Lipstick on Your Collar
Various - Live At The Regent Theatre
Various - Live In The X Lounge III
Various - Lonely Planet 2 (CD1)
Various - Lonely Planet 2 (CD2)
Various - Motion Picture Soundtrack - Platoon And Songs From The Era
Various - Neues Projekt
Various - Now 29 - CD 1
Various - Now 29 - CD 2
Various - Originals
Various - Reggae heat - Reggae beat
Various - Reloaded 2 - Disc One
Various - The No. 1 Sci Fi Album (Disc 2 - TV Themes)
Various - The No.1 Sci>Fi Album (Disc 1 - Movies)
Various - Top Of The Pops - 2001 Vol One - Disc 1
Various - Woman 11 Woman Disk 1
Various - Woman II Woman (disc 2)
Various - bionix
Various Artists - Celtic Twilight
Various Artists - Discover The Classics Vol. 2 Disc 1
Various Artists - Discover The Classics Vol. 2 Disc 2
Various Artists - Glamour Grooves
Various Artists - Grammy Rap Nominees 1999
Various Artists - MasterBeat - Sunset, Evening Music
Various Artists - Most Excellent Dance - Disc 2
Various Artists - Q: The Best of The Best 97
Various Artists - Reloaded 2 (CD 2)
Various Artists - THE DANCE BOX VOLUME III
Various Artists - The Best Rock Album In The World ... Ever! CD
Various Artists - Young at Heart disc 1
Various Artists - Young at Heart disc 2
Various Artists - Young at Heart disc 3
Various Artists - Young at Heart disc 4
Vonda Shepard & Friends - Ally McBeal for once in my life
Vários - Moods - Dreams
Vários - Moods - Impressions
Vários - Moods - Reflections
Vários - Moods - Tranquility
Whitney Houston - The Greatest Hits (CD 2) - Throw Down
autori vari - Canti randagi
enya - watermark
various - American Indian Ceremonial and War Dances
various - ClubClass CD2

Unregistered
01-09-2003, 05:28 PM
And will you be charging for this service eventually?
I'm loath to help out if it evetually costs me money?
Take no offence, just a healthy question

Spoon
01-09-2003, 06:37 PM
Good question, I publically state that AccurateRip will never be sold off, or charged for. It might even make it onto other Rippers (totally free and open), but that is a little too early just yet.

Unregistered
01-10-2003, 03:55 AM
Great stuff, and I see my question made it to Hydrogen Audio too, you can be assured of my assistance in this project, it sounds exciting. :)

Unregistered
01-10-2003, 04:45 AM
Hmmm, well I'd love to help but whenever I rip a disc the upload.bin is not there? it just lists the numbered/lettered .bin's ?
Apart from that things went very well

Unregistered
01-10-2003, 05:21 AM
On the title of Audio CD Input does it say [AccurateRip Unconfigured]?

Unregistered
01-10-2003, 06:41 AM
Nope, it configured ok and returned an offset, I've tried it on 2 drives also.

Unregistered
01-10-2003, 06:50 AM
And the file - AccurateRipUpload.bin does not exist?

Unregistered
01-10-2003, 07:27 AM
No, reinstalled and tried everything, I'll try it another day.

Unregistered
01-10-2003, 09:04 PM
What is Pearl Jam - Costa Rica? I've never heard of that CD, is it a bootleg?

Spoon
01-11-2003, 06:47 AM
Pearl Jam - Costa Rica?

Not mine ask Razgo...proabbly a concert?

Razgo
01-11-2003, 10:42 PM
no it's not a bootleg copy. all the cd's in the list are originals.

here is some info and reviews on the pearl jam one: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006M183/ref=m_art_li_1/103-0056094-3917467*product-details

Nothingface5384
01-14-2003, 07:15 PM
thanks for the help spoon ;-)
guess i cant participate in this cause it fdoesnt ask about configuaring accurate rip..just says iunconfiguared..hope i can soon..by the way..would riping a cdr effect anything...talking about cd2cd

auenf
01-16-2003, 12:32 AM
hmm, i was going to give this a go at work, and wouldnt you believe it, there has to be like 200,000 cds here, and none of them match the cds you have listed.

altho granted 99% of the discs here have recordings from the 40s ;)

Enf...

Unregistered
01-16-2003, 05:55 AM
Send your physical address to dbpoweramp@dbpoweramp.com I will make sure a recognisable disc arrives in the post.

mmortal03
01-18-2003, 04:55 PM
Question about the database, is this using crc values, or something else? The reason I ask is because even with the correct offset, depending on ones drive, the first and last tracks can have different crc values depending on the drive capability to read into the pregap and the leadout...btw, I have not found one of my discs yet on the list that match, but I have used the offsets for one of my drives off of SatCP's list to create a test cd in EAC, and then I used this disc to test another one of my drives to verify the separate read and write offsets, and these also concurred with his list. I am completely confident because of this that these offsets are 100 percent correct. Is there any other way you canset up to allow contributions to the database, because I am VERY interested.

Spoon
01-18-2003, 07:22 PM
Sorry no, even if you are 100% sure, it just takes 1 drive with the wrong offset to polute the database (others base their offset on yours).

>the first and last tracks can have different crc values depending on the drive capability to read into the pregap and the leadout

Is it both first and last? or just last?

an audio disk should have TOC - [pre gap] - track 1 and most drives that are not accurate stream will probabbly read part of the pre gap anyhow.

Send your address above and I will see you get a CD.

mmortal03
01-18-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Spoon
Sorry no, even if you are 100% sure, it just takes 1 drive with the wrong offset to polute the database (others base their offset on yours).

>the first and last tracks can have different crc values depending on the drive capability to read into the pregap and the leadout

Is it both first and last? or just last?

an audio disk should have TOC - [pre gap] - track 1 and most drives that are not accurate stream will probabbly read part of the pre gap anyhow.

Send your address above and I will see you get a CD.


Ok, I understand your concern, and that is fine with me....Yes, it can happen both ways, depending on how great your offset is negative or positive, the more the possibility that you are losing samples. The more your read offset is negative (drive read shifted left) WITHOUT being able to read into the leadout, the more chance you will lose samples at the end, which will then affect the crc value. The more your read offset is positive (drive read shifted right) WITHOUT being able to read into the pregap, the more chance you will lose samples at the beginning, which will again affect the crc value. My drive, for instance, has a negative offset, and though there is still a posibility of losing samples past that value at the beginning, these should only be from incorrectly hidden or badly pressed albums. For all intent and purposes, I shouldn't lose any samples from the beginning of a cd with a negative offset because it already reads too soon. Often, the audio that is cut off makes no difference because ones offset value is small enough that all they are losing is digital silence, and when this digital silence is filled in by the ripper with digital silience, it makes no difference. But, I DO have a couple albums that produce different crc's for the last track, which tells me that the drive that I have that has a greater negative offset is cutting off something that isn't digital silence..heck, there is a possibility that BOTH are, unless I have a drive that can read into the leadout, there is no way for me to know...Thankfully, my LiteOn drive has such a small offset value anyway, I don't have to really concern myself of this, and frankly, what is lost is nothing important (milliseconds). What you could do I guess is not pay attention to the crc values of the first and last tracks and just make this known to people. For people who CAN read into one or the other, you could use this as a reference, and you could simply explain this problem to the users in a FAQ of some sorts. I guess the database could be split, allowing perfectionists to only pull from verified read pregaps and leadouts, and for everyone else, simply verify from the middle tracks. I will also bet that you will get a good majority of submissions that have equal crc values for the first and last tracks as well, so regardless of whether or not it is a 100 percent perfect rip, with offsets in mind, the user could still feel confident that what he got is the best possible.

Edit, I got confused with positives and negatives, but I think I sorted it out...

hiperpinguino
01-20-2003, 08:28 PM
Interesting, the AccurateRipUpload.bin is not listed in the explorer view of the folder but it does appear when I search for it... anyway, I've sent it off now, so you will soon be able to add Audioslave to your list. Nice idea, by the way - it will be fun to watch it grow.

hiperpinguino
01-20-2003, 08:52 PM
Minor semi-bug alert:

When using any filename creation pattern that auto-creates folders based on Artist, Album, etc., the folders will still be created when using the non-write test option, leaving some garbage to clean off the hard drive afterwards. It's really rather unimportant, but annoying nonetheless.

Spoon
01-23-2003, 06:36 PM
Update:

Now results are coming back one hiccup was found - that is one disc entered the database ripped with the wrong offset, I am still unsure why it happened, I suspect a CD drive threw a wobbler and was 1/4 of a CD sector out (it had ripped 100's correctly). Anyhow, such an entry could polute the database if others found their offsets of this disc. So the rules of the system have been changed to only recognise discs for offset detection with a Confidence of two or more. What this means is, the database will take longer to populate, so I am going to help it out a little.

Anyone who has more than 100 discs to add to accuraterip, I am willing to send out a CD (I have plenty of classical CDs I don't want), email me dbpoweramp@dbpoweramp.com

Unregistered
01-30-2003, 09:21 PM
When will it be possible to download an updated cd database? I would like to able to add to the database, but I don't have over 100 cd's. If somebody has put any Metallica cd's into the database, then I could start :) .

Jordan

Unregistered
01-31-2003, 09:22 AM
yeah get some metallica u know i got a good 150 albums that i can re rip seeing im changing all my mp3s to atrac3

so i can help i u get some : metallica, limpbizkit, deep purple, led zepline, rainbow, wishbone ash, tool, offspring, korn, system of a down..etc

Unregistered
01-31-2003, 09:30 AM
i have 1 album on that list and its my brothers and if it were up to me i'll break it into so small a pices u couldn't see them wif an electron microscope....

get some better music on that list :)

Unregistered
01-31-2003, 09:50 AM
i run into a prob...

i was doing the test rip of jimmy barns soul deeper and it doesn't want to seem to rip the first track it comes up with an error. all of the other tracks rip fine and are corect. when i play the first song in winamp trying both digital and anolog reading to see if there was any errors and i couldn't hear any. so should i still send in my bin file? and what could b causing this problem?

Spoon
02-01-2003, 06:43 AM
Did something appear offering to find the offset? and did it find an offset.

You could have a drive that does not allow 1 sector to be read before the first sector, and if you have a drive with a - offset then it needs to do this for the first track. No big problem, just means on yours AccurateRip will not be able to read the first track.

Spoon
02-01-2003, 06:45 AM
Forgot to ask, the error was it one saying could not rip at all the first track, or was it that the track was unaccurately ripped?

You can send me the bin file, no problem.

Spoon
02-02-2003, 06:26 PM
Bea Closed - moved onto Accurate Rip Test *2