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12-28-2006, 12:34 PM
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R12 - Questions regarding 2 rips of same disc
First rip had a few tracks that showed up as inaccurate but secure, later I re-ripped with ultra secure enabled and got all tracks as accurate.
I am wondering why/what cause this, the disc is new with no dirt or scratches. I guess the primary question is how/why it says secure, but also not accurate? Here are logs of first/last tracks of each rip (full logs were too long to post): Code:
dBpowerAMP Release 12 Beta 1 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:23 AM
Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'R: [MAD DOG - TF-DVDRW TSH652D]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34
Encoder: mp3 (Lame) -b 192 -crc="1" -force_iso="1"
DSP Effects / Actions: -dspeffect1="ReplayGain=-albummode={qt}0{qt}"
Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 16062 (3:34) in 7:24. Filename: C:\Converted Music\Mastodon\Mastodon - Blood Mountain - 01 - The Wolf Is Loose.mp3
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 13) Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Re-Rip 770 Frames]
CRC32: B9AADC48
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Track 12: Ripped LBA 206875 to 307062 (22:15) in 1:41. Filename: C:\Converted Music\Mastodon\Mastodon - Blood Mountain - 12 - Pendulous Skin.mp3
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 13) Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Re-Rip 3 Frames]
CRC32: 06D6EC94
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12 Tracks Ripped: 8 Accurate, 4 Secure (Warning)
and ultra secure rip *blooper*2 Code:
dBpowerAMP Release 12 Beta 1 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:57 AM
Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'R: [MAD DOG - TF-DVDRW TSH652D]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: Yes, Min Passes: 3, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34
Encoder: mp3 (Lame) -b 192 -crc="1" -force_iso="1"
DSP Effects / Actions: -dspeffect1="ReplayGain=-albummode={qt}0{qt}"
Extraction Log
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AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 13) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 362 Frames]
CRC32: E4CE4578
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Track 12: Ripped LBA 206875 to 307062 (22:15) in 1:37. Filename: C:\Converted Music\Mastodon\Mastodon - Blood Mountain - 12 - Pendulous Skin.mp3
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 13) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 44E6DF91
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Re: R12 - Questions regarding 2 rips of same disc
When c2 is on it relies on c2 error pointers being correct. Ultra secure is there for drives which support c2 (it is a good thing) but not very well (as your drive). even with a top drive I would still do one ultra pass to make sure that a c2 error did not slip through.
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12-28-2006, 05:16 PM
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Re: R12 - Questions regarding 2 rips of same disc
See here for how the CD ripper works: http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm
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12-31-2006, 02:51 PM
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Re: R12 - Questions regarding 2 rips of same disc
I read the post on how secure ripping works but must admit that it is somewhat beyond me. I am getting results back that don't match the Accurate Rip database: "x AR (14).." but that are also labeled secure: "... i Secure". What does this mean? That the re-ripping process worked? If it had said insecure, what would that mean?
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12-31-2006, 03:29 PM
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Re: R12 - Questions regarding 2 rips of same disc
Secure means the data it pulled off of the CD was correct enough times to be labeled secure. However, if it does not match AccurateRip, the rip was not the same as what someone else got. If most of the tracks are labeled inaccurate and the CD is in good condition, the copy of the CD in AccurateRip is probably a different pressing than your CD.
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12-31-2006, 03:34 PM
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Re: R12 - Questions regarding 2 rips of same disc
A red X for accurate rip means that your discs ToC (table of contents) rips do not match other submitted rips.
Secure means that as best that can be determined by the ripper, the rips are error free. I have a billy joel album, the first disc reports a red X accurate rip (6), however the disc is clean and all tracks report as secure. From further research it appears that it is possible that the same ToC can appear on releases that have different mastering or whatnot. The second disc of this album (its the original greatest hits volume 1 and 2), gets a green accurate rip of 6 or something. A green secure check mark means no re-reads were needed, a green "I" means that some re-reads were needed but the rip is still secure (meaning error free as best that can be determined without having other accurate rips to compare to). Here is another example of a rip in progress, first disc accurate rip reports X AR (7), second disc gets accurate (7). I'm assuming that disc 1 is a different pressing for whatever reason. disc 1  disc 2  Last edited by Teknojnky; 12-31-2006 at 04:12 PM. |
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01-01-2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: R12 - Questions regarding 2 rips of same disc
Thanks for the help LtData and Teknojnky. Just a couple of questions:
(1) If there is not an AccurateRip match, why wouldn't a re-rip be necessary (the green check mark)? How else can lack of errors be confirmed? (2) On some tracks I have received just the word "Error". These tracks are not tagged and after listening to them they sound OK. Does the "Error" designation refer to something else? I have received "Insecure" rips and I assumed this was what I would get with a bad rip. Thanks again for all the help. PS - Teknojnky, I am also an MM user like yourself (I love both these programs) |
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01-01-2007, 01:54 PM
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Re: R12 - Questions regarding 2 rips of same disc
At the link that LT Data posted above, it explains how the re-rips are done.
If your drive supports C2 error detection, then the '2nd pass' is disabled, you can then optionally enable the 'ultra secure' and specify how many passes. I'm not so clear on what the effect of the number of passes gets you, but specifiying at least 1 ultra pass will cross check your first pass if the disc is not in accurate rip. There is an option to make insecure tracks as 'error' which prevents the files from being encoded. If you uncheck that then it will encode the files (into whatever type: mp3/flac/etc) even if it is an insecure track rip. I love MM, if it had accurate rip it would be nearly perfect for my needs.  |
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