Ogg Vorbis R12 (using Ogg 1.1.0)

[Spoon]

A brand spanking new Ogg codec, download:

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/beta/dBpowerAMP-codec-ogg.exe

403KB

Changes:

Uses new Ogg 1.1.0 code
Now 6 channel compatible (correct channel mapping), 24 bit compatible
Average bit rate returned for dAP MMC
New dMC R11 compatible tagging (unicode)
Possible to correctly delete ID tags / tag
Using Ogg's new CBR mode

[Brian49]

I'm very glad to find this codec, but I wonder why it's hidden away here in the beta forum and isn't available at Codec Central? That's assuming it's a full release, which it appears to be. Many thanks.

[Spoon]

Codecs need testing, I like to have the codecs in Codec Central that are stable.

[Brian49]

Thanks for the explanation. But I don't see any feedback in this thread, so it's not quite clear where the information about stability is coming from. By the way, it seems that one can't install this release without uninstalling the previous release, which makes comparison a bit difficult. Thanks again.

[Unregistered]

I tested the beta release of the ogg 1.1 codec and found that the conversion to mono files (starting with stereo input) doesn't work.
Can anyone confirm this ?

D.

[FatChuang]

I tested the beta release of the ogg 1.1 codec and found that the conversion to mono files (starting with stereo input) doesn't work.
Can anyone confirm this ?

D.

I've tested DMC 10.1+ OGG codec R12:
Everytime I tried to convert a 44.1kHz, 16bit stereo wav to a mono channel ogg (in CBR,ABR,VBR, frequency as source) , DMC crashed... :cry:

[Brian49]

The codec seems to work fine when ripping from CD to stereo ogg, which is all I need it to do.

[xoas]

I tested the beta release of the ogg 1.1 codec and found that the conversion to mono files (starting with stereo input) doesn't work.
Can anyone confirm this ?
I can confirm this as well (I don't think this was possible with previous codec either).

What you CAN do is first convert your source file to mono and then convert to Ogg in mono.

Best wishes,
Bill Mikkelsen

[Dirkvl]

With the CLI encoder, it is possible to convert stereo to mono ogg.
If you download the newest oggenc.exe at http://www.rarewares.org/ogg.html and replace the old one, you can encode to ogg 1.1 mono.

[Brian49]

I don't see the CLI oggenc.exe file anywhere on the web page you mention - can you be more specific, please? Many thanks.

[Dirkvl]

It's the fllowing paragraph :

"Oggenc2.3 using libVorbis v1.1.0 2004-10-23"
ICL 8.1 compiles

You can download the exe for your machine :

P3/AMD (293Kb) - P4 Only (259Kb) - Sources + Libraries (384Kb)

The zip contains oggenc2.exe, which you have to rename to oggenc.exe to replace the old one, off course.

Kind regards,

Dirk.

[Spoon]

Noted bug (stereo to mono).

[Unregistered]

Do you have plans to release a beta based on the newly released Ogg 1.1.2 soon? Thanks for a great utility!

[Spoon]

Are you sure Ogg Vorbis is 1.1.2? rather than Ogg (the container) as 1.1.2

[Unregistered]

Darn good question, I have no idea. I saw a post on the vorbis site that was more recent than this beta, so I assumed it was newer (and I'm one of those crazy people that always assumes newer is better :) ). I really don't quite understand the distinction between Ogg and Vorbis. Here's the post:

"libvorbis 1.1.0 and libogg 1.1.2 have been released
posted by vanguardist on 2004-09-27 21:55:17.91

Here are some goodies. The new libogg fixes some FLAC issues and libvorbis 1.1.0 features the new tunings from aoTuV."

Thanks again!

[Spoon]

libvorbis is the audio side of things, libogg is the container. This current beta is using both those latest versions.

[Unregistered]

Thanks for clarifying. Once again, awesome product!

[Unregistered]

Thanks for clarifying. Once again, awesome product!

I re-read that initial post and I read your "Join Date" as Apr 2004, which I also thought was the posting date. Doh! So now that I look more closely, it was actually posted on 10/9/2004, which is obviously later than the release date of 1.1.0/1.1.2. Sorry to waste your time. Won't happen again. I hope.

[roytam]

I think AoTuV version is much better than the official one.

http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/

"aoTuV" is the encoder of Ogg Vorbis. Based on libvorbis of Xiph.Org, this encoder was made, in order to improve the quality of coding.
If you get interested, about change of actual tone quality, to be tried in person will be good.

Beta2 was adopted as a part of Vorbis 1.1 of Xiph.Org.

　< <Since beta2 was adopted as official 1.1, beta3 uses 1.1 as a base. >>
# bitrate management mode operates normally now. It not only became new, it offers new rate control. (changed part of Vorbis 1.1 by Monty)

　# Pre-echo was decreased in the mode of q0-q10.
# Since some codes of beta2 were not working normally, correction and re-tuning were carried out.
　# In the mode below q3, the problem to which a part of sound becomes unstable is improved. (e.g. piano/strings)
　# Distortion resulting from channel coupling was reduced. (e.g. brass/drumus/guitar)
　# The q-2 new mode.

[Spoon]

Updated to fix Stereo >> Mono bug (download as first message).

@roytan: These updates will be added when they become stable (currently they are in beta test and are tweaked lots).

[Tomb]

I think AoTuV version is much better than the official one.

Use it with the Generic CLI encoder. That's what i do and it works fine except that it has the 1.1.0 in the vendor tag. But that's hardly a problem.

[Peich1]

Updated to fix Stereo >> Mono bug (download as first message).

Hi, I am testing this Ogg Vorbis codec and I've found that, indeed, stereo/mono conversion works now; but it seems the channels are not mixed 50% each, instead are added. This makes the sound very loud and clipping. I've only tried a few mp3 stereo->ogg mono conversions, I'll make a few tests more, maybe I've done something wrong.

[Spoon]

That is how it works for Stereo >> mono, 70% of each channel is added to final, yes on certain audio it can clip (the built in Windows ACM converter does the same).

If you have the Power Pack you can use the 'Set Channels' DSP effect to apply exactly what summing is required.

[Spoon]

Now released (no changes from this last beta version).

[go_jesse]

So, a little OT, but I just tried out the OGG P4 cli encoder (based on OLD oggenc.exe 1.0.0, and it crashed at the end of its encoding pass on the first song. I then downloaded oggenc2.exe (version 2.3 for P4, libogg 1.1.0) and changed the CLI encoder to use it.

oggenc2.exe doesn't crash, and worked fine to encode a whole album.

now to the meat of my post:

CLI took 4:41 to rip and encode using powerpack
R12 took 3:59 to rip and encode using powerpack and same settings

I'd suggest removing the P4 CLI encoder, based on this. Feel free to move my post if it shouldn't be here.

[Spoon]

How fast was oggenc2?

[neilthecellist]

for me, it was pretty fast. I'm a little annoyed at the old Pentium 4 oggenc.exe. It ran pretty slowly. I think you guys should remove it and post the new oggenc.exe (found at http://www.rarewares.org)

[roytam]

Just want to add some feature request of this plug-in:
As OGG Vobis 1.1.0 supports Quality -2, please let the plug-in support it.

[neilthecellist]

what's the bitrate for quality -2 ??

[roytam]

what's the bitrate for quality -2 ??about 30kbps.
I am sorry that I make confused and mixed up official ogg vobis 1.1.0 with aoTuV beta 3. The official one doesn't support q -2 but aoTuV b3 does.

[neilthecellist]

interesting.

I can't understand why the official ogg vorbis thingy doesn't support quality of -2. I mean, who would want 30 kbps?? ^_^

Actually, I can't be sarcastic. Sometimes I do want low bitrate music too.

[roytam]

interesting.

I can't understand why the official ogg vorbis thingy doesn't support quality of -2. I mean, who would want 30 kbps?? ^_^

Actually, I can't be sarcastic. Sometimes I do want low bitrate music too.
Internet radio needs a low bitrate for broadcasting

[neilthecellist]

For internet radio, can't one live with just 45 kbps? I mean, most people these days have cable and/or DSL. I'm like LITERALLY the only one at my school who is a nerd and has dialup.

Besides, even with a dialup connection, I can handle 45 kbps EASILY. My connection allows that.

[ChristinaS]

For internet radio, can't one live with just 45 kbps? I mean, most people these days have cable and/or DSL. I'm like LITERALLY the only one at my school who is a nerd and has dialup.

Besides, even with a dialup connection, I can handle 45 kbps EASILY. My connection allows that.
Neil, 56kbps is the top connection speed for dial-up, and normally you'd never achieve that anyway. Mostly it may be around the 45kbps mark. This means that listening to internet radio if it were at 45kbps you'd have no bandwidth left over for anything else, and it may not even be sufficient at times for that. This would result in extensive and frequent buffering which is most annoying and ultimately useless.

At 30kbps it will be smooth for most dial-up connections, with enough bandwidth left over to surf a bit as well. You must know that those dial-up accellerators do not work for media files anyway.

There are an awful lot of people still on dial-up in the world and surprisingly lots in rural USA. For some of them even achieving 30kbps is a dream.

In addition to the listener's speed capabilities considerations, the broadcasting server's own bandwidth needs have to be taken into account. At 30kbps they can serve 33% more users than at 45kbps, or put another way, they'll reach top capacity at a higher number of server connections.

[neilthecellist]

whoa. wait a minute. My connection speed is always between 54.4 and 55.8 kbps. I can EASILY stream 45 kbps media. EASILY.

[ChristinaS]

whoa. wait a minute. My connection speed is always between 54.4 and 55.8 kbps. I can EASILY stream 45 kbps media. EASILY.
So count your blessings LOL! Just don't think you can keep any other browser window open and surf or get email or anyhting else.

[neilthecellist]

welll, actually, i can surf via Firefox. just go under Tools >> Options >> Web Features and disable "Load Pictures". Then I can surf the Internet. In fact, since I am on dialup, I ALWAYS have the "Load Pictures" feature disabled so web pages load faster. Like right now! :)

sorry for contradicting you, Christina, but I can surf the web while listening to a 45 kbps stream.